Orange Offer (could all OO affiliates please read)

**orangeoffer** · 15-09-04

I can assure you no one has got any figures wrong and can I just point out we are not out to show anyone how its done, as you know there is pleanty of business to go around!

**pricethat** · 20-09-04

I have to apologise perhaps for the way i worded this, however maybe this might help as well.

My concern was not of a mobile phone dealer but that of an affiliate, i have no regard for whether or not a mobile phone dealer stays or goes, but to restate my point "many go" not stay.

The economics "suggest" that this will not stay and i would hope that it isnt another poke in the eye of what is a good affiliate network.

Affiliate networking is a great way of really installing a permanent web site on the net (ie not here one minute, gone the next) and as long as you keep affiliates happy, work with them and pay them then even if a better deal comes out or whatever, if you have been honest, hard working and offered good support then generally people dont wonder away from what is good for them.

However, if you look at the backlash from other mobile phone retailers not paying because of bankruptcy etc, then it makes it harder and harder for mobile phone dealers to install a confidence that their scheme will work.

There are good mobile affiliate schemes that have been around in business for a long time, but if you look at them they pay a lot less money for only conirmed sales.

Having said all of this i see that many want to assume that a "retailer" has "lower" overheads and "higher" commissions, but after the huge amount of mobile phone businesses that have gone under this last year (especially orange dealers). It is naive to disregard what i was saying in blind faith.

I have kept names of companies out of this and not mentioned other schemes that i feel are much more solid (from a mobile phone dealers point of view) because it was nothing to do with a disliking or a competition point of view. It was from an affiliate point of view and not wanting to see other affiliates get burned as so many have.

Sure if it pays then promote it, but if you expected not to get paid knowing that a mobile phone dealer can not support this type of marketing for so long then no one gets hurt right?

**pricethat** · 20-09-04

left school, went to work at a mobile phone shop for a couple of years. I then went into business at about 18. Someone made a comment that the place they worked at made £200.00 plus 20% of the bill, interesting as when i started you made more than a £1000.00 per handsets and half of the bill, but this was years ago. nowadays you do make £200.00 commission per connection, sometimes more with bonuses, however you have to buy the handset out of this commission and most decent handsets are over £200.00 trade nowadays.

To answer to my involvement in mobile phones i am a mobile phone dealer, i personally do not trade online because i dont need to, however i do make a php program called EDC V2.0 which creates and updates quite a few mobile phone dealers around the country, examples such as http://www.accessoriesdirect.co.uk , http://www.stirlingmobile.co.uk http://www.intek.uk.com .

I operate dozens of mobile phone sites, mainly used by local stores for local marketing to existing customers.

When i say something like this it is not because i am a competitor at all, its because one minute on the forums theres huge amount of people complaining that a mobile phone dealer didnt pay and then another thread getting all excited about another dealer thats paying so much.

So maybe to get the thread to end a little, my point is that when a deal looks too good to be true, generally it is (that just so happens to be the rule of life) If you want to promote them then by all means do it, but my original post just put out the alarm bells, and bells that are quite justified if you know really how much money there is in mobile phones.

For example, i have a customer who is the only person in the UK that is allowed to resell orange airtime. That means he purchases call time and network provision from orange and is allowed to resell it to whom he wants to. Clearly this customer is the closest thing to a network and even he cant engage in this type of marketing and even if he could, he does not consider it to be a clever decision given the climate.

So anyway, all i did is gave affiliate some food for thought, in the vain attempt to make sure that people use their loaf and not get stung, especially as some people really need that cheque through the door to pay the bills.

**pricethat** · 20-09-04

Originally posted by km8
I'll second that.

And yes Pricethat, I can do math. The answer I get is 16, not 18 so maybe you need to re-run the maths on your margins too.

whats there to re-run KM8, let me help you out. My comments, "i have been a mobile phone dealer for twelve years". I left school at 16, i became a mobile phone dealer at a local store. No one mentioned anything about franchises (which again shows ignorance as 99% of independant stores are not franchises at all).

I then became an independant mobile phone dealer when i was 18.

That, if i am not hugely mistaken is 12 years. so can we quite this part of the thread now KM8?

**jamcamuk** · 20-09-04

Not £1000 per phone £200 !! s=did not say £1k I dont think

J

Originally posted by pricethat
left school, went to work at a mobile phone shop for a couple of years. I then went into business at about 18. Someone made a comment that the place they worked at made £200.00 plus 20% of the bill, interesting as when i started you made more than a £1000.00 per handsets and half of the bill, but this was years ago. nowadays you do make £200.00 commission per connection, sometimes more with bonuses, however you have to buy the handset out of this commission and most decent handsets are over £200.00 trade nowadays.

To answer to my involvement in mobile phones i am a mobile phone dealer, i personally do not trade online because i dont need to, however i do make a php program called EDC V2.0 which creates and updates quite a few mobile phone dealers around the country, examples such as http://www.accessoriesdirect.co.uk , http://www.stirlingmobile.co.uk http://www.intek.uk.com .

I operate dozens of mobile phone sites, mainly used by local stores for local marketing to existing customers.

When i say something like this it is not because i am a competitor at all, its because one minute on the forums theres huge amount of people complaining that a mobile phone dealer didnt pay and then another thread getting all excited about another dealer thats paying so much.

So maybe to get the thread to end a little, my point is that when a deal looks too good to be true, generally it is (that just so happens to be the rule of life) If you want to promote them then by all means do it, but my original post just put out the alarm bells, and bells that are quite justified if you know really how much money there is in mobile phones.

For example, i have a customer who is the only person in the UK that is allowed to resell orange airtime. That means he purchases call time and network provision from orange and is allowed to resell it to whom he wants to. Clearly this customer is the closest thing to a network and even he cant engage in this type of marketing and even if he could, he does not consider it to be a clever decision given the climate.

So anyway, all i did is gave affiliate some food for thought, in the vain attempt to make sure that people use their loaf and not get stung, especially as some people really need that cheque through the door to pay the bills.

**km8** · 20-09-04

Originally posted by pricethat
I left school at 16, i became a mobile phone dealer at a local store. No one mentioned anything about franchises (which again shows ignorance as 99% of independant stores are not franchises at all).

That, if i am not hugely mistaken is 12 years. so can we quite this part of the thread now KM8?

Sure. Maybe we should move on to discuss whether it is really a good idea to leave school before you can do maths, or communicate effectively in english.

**pricethat** · 21-09-04

Originally posted by jamcamuk
Not £1000 per phone £200 !! s=did not say £1k I dont think

J

If you read my words i never corrected you on how much you got paid, my remarks were to illustrate that just because you worked in a shop that got paid £200.00 commission still does not mean that you know any where near how much money there is in a deal like this

**Jon** · 21-09-04

For pity's sake, will you guys just pack it in now? Please?

Edit: for clarity, no response is required.

Just let this be the last post in this thread. No more attempts at having the last word. Just let it lie now, OK? Cool.