New try, Networks vs In House

**justnozy** · 12-01-05

**a4uforummember** · 12-01-05

hey Just NoZ, how are you?

I'm glad you found that funny, sometimes things aren't always received as they're delivered.

lets go off topic.

how are the fags? the lungs? the coffee?

**justnozy** · 12-01-05

Fags - down by about 20 a day only costing me £15 a day now

Lungs - Excercise, without mercy every morning

Coffee - Really serious "real life" prob's - ( hence non-posting) - need £60k in 19 days - any ideas? Stab in the back main prob - but hey it makes life interesting.

Thanks for asking mate.

**a4uforummember** · 12-01-05

Thats an awful lot of money in a short space of time... have you tried a tidal wave

**Supercod** · 12-01-05

Originally posted by allaffiliatepro
Responce - If a site offered me 30% commission I would see that as large. If interest on a loan was 30% I'd see it as large. 30% of £10,000 is £3,000. If your affiliate payments are over £10,000 a month you could easily be employing a dedicated affiliate manager for your private affiliate program. We'll leave this decision up to the reader. It's a matter of opinion.

Lyle, so by your logic if I developed a system that makes a merchant a million pounds in sales a month, the affiliates are making £100,000 and I am making £30,000 that I should some how feel bad about making £30,000 from a merchant that I just increased revenue to £1,000,000 a month extra. Far enough I could live off £3,000 a month from that same merchant but why should I make them more if I have always to make the same, what kind of incentive is that. Thank goodness I work with company's that understand the logic that of someone brings you more revenue to the table that they are then entitled to their far share... otherwise none of us would be sitting day in day out developing new relationships and thinking up and researching even more advanced systems that help make everyone more money.

**Simon** · 12-01-05

Lyle,

I apologise if I appear rude, but this is how you come across to me, so my response may have been a little blunt.

The reason I think you comments are rude is due to the fact that you have bulleted bold statements, yet you have said that this forum is a method of research for you, which would indicate that you do not have all the facts, with that in mind bold statements will get a few backs up.

Rather than making statements I think questions would be more beneficial.

Also I do think you are biased with your reference to indi programs relating to yours, it would be as bad if a network started this thread, and then responded to your comments with reference to their network only.

I also think that restricting this to merchants is of little value to anyone, as it is the affiliates that the merchants are seeking, so from a merchants point of view an affiliates preference is another factor that has to be considered.

maybe a poll would be better?

**allaffiliatepro** · 12-01-05

Hi Justnozy,
With any luck you won't be doing a poll on me this time

That's a good point, although it would be safe to say you'd loose all your affiliates briefly. I guess if you setup an indy or with another network, advertised that on the site for a couple of months then left the network the better affiliates would stay with you.

Hi Supercod,
Giving people a commision does give them more incentive to work harder for you, your right. If you had a dedicated affiliate manager for your indy program giving him a wage plus % bonus would probably do you well.

Although:-

otherwise none of us would be sitting day in day out developing ... even more advanced systems that help make everyone more money

The software companies do that without commission.

Simon,
From your post, because you don't think indy programs have any advantages or networks have any disadvantages. Your opinion would seem much more biased than mine. Take away the points you've commented on and your left with network advantages and indy disadvantages. None of my statements have been untrue. Please read my original post and followups. I clearly state my intention and my position. I ask for people's opinions and whether anything else should be added to the list. If you want to start a thread with your own points (you could just say networks are great and there is nothing good about indys), feel free. But please do not polute this thread. Let people post their opinions. I will be doing a later post for advan/disadvan from an affiliates perspective (I have said this before, please read all replies). You've had your bit Malc now let me hear what the other people have to say.

Lyle

**Malcolm Cowley** · 12-01-05

" You've had your bit Malc "

I do hope that was a typo Lyle - a quick check with Matt would show that Simon is not a pseudonym of mine .

I have no intention of getting involved with a thread on Networks vs inhouse , I am purely observing the thread and reading the replies .

Have to say I have enjoyed it so far and some of the points are thought provoking .

Mal

**Simon** · 12-01-05

Lyle, I have no motive to vote for indi's or networks, my point is that your bold statements are not everyone's opinion, and it is opinions you have asked for and maybe it is a good idea to let someone else comment to these opinions to show you are unbiased.

Example below:

Affiliate Networks Disadvantages
· Affiliates are not your own

In-House Affiliate Programs Advantages
· Affiliates are your own

An affiliate would be insulted by the merchant if the merchant thought he owned the affiliate, even if he thought he owned the relationship. The fact here is, if I was your affiliate, and you said that to me, I would drop your program and work with your competitor just to show you that affiliates are totally indepnedent.

The truth is you will only keep the relationship with the affiliates if you run a good program, and that can be achieved on both an indi and a network. So there is no advantage/disadvantage.

**allaffiliatepro** · 13-01-05

Sorry Malcom, that was a typo. Must have been a flashback

I think that the solution may be in having several lists depending on the merchants situation, market and budget.

Different points come in to play more in different situations.

Thoughts?

Lyle

**drivetowin** · 13-01-05

Perhaps it would help if we knew what you intended to do with these 'lists' once you've compiled them....

**allaffiliatepro** · 13-01-05

Kbudden,
From my original post:-

This list is for a new internet marketing site I will be releasing toward the end of this month.

I'm trying to give a fair view, which isn't easy being an inhouse software developer.

Lyle

**km8** · 13-01-05

Originally posted by Simon
Lyle, I have no motive to vote for indi's or networks, my point is that your bold statements are not everyone's opinion, and it is opinions you have asked for and maybe it is a good idea to let someone else comment to these opinions to show you are unbiased.

I think Simon's got a fair point.

You're doing research, asking opinions, etc, yet every time someone gives an opinion that you don't agree with, you set about persuading them to a different view.

That's not what I understand by research.
I'd say a research thread is not the place for proselytising.

**allaffiliatepro** · 18-01-05

Km8,
Your right, should let this tread run it's own course a bit more. But really what I'm trying to research is a list of facts. People are free to have their opinions, but it's the facts that I want to give my readers whether I like them or not.

Lyle