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  Google Autolink- Evolve or die

I haven't seen this posted elsewhere, but in case you haven't got, or read about google's new toolbar, one of the "exciting" new features is something called autolink. What this lovely baby will do is, say your browsing a website with a review of a new book on it. Google will kindly plant a link on there to it on Amazon. If google expands this, to a wider range of product it could have a big impact on affiliate advertising.

Fortunately, you can (at the moment) add some code to block this autolink feature on your site. I recommend you do it:

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/1562
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Thanks for that. I'd heard about google doing that with amazon links but didnt know there was a code to prevent it from happening. In my eyes, its just big scumware happening again and theft from the webmaster and it should be made illegal for google to do this to other peoples sites.

Anyhow, I'm off to have a little root around the site you gave and see what I can do about inserting the code into my sites.

Thanks once again,

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Can you detect if someone is using Google Toolbar when they visit your site?

If so then promote an alternative, if there is a program for it, or is there a site where your can get your own developed & offer that as an alternative to replace the Google Toolbar.

If promoting an alternative toolbar (not your own) which you get paid for say msn or yahoo offer a pay per lead, this may only prolong the inevitable if they too go down this same path as Google.

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What we should remember is that there are thousands of affiliates & one Google, if & I only say "if" Google & Yahoo are slowly but surely squeezing out affiliates, whether this be from organic searches and / or even ppc (more likely on both fronts). It illustrates how dependent both networks & affiliates are, thus networks should get involved too. But we have suggested this for maybe a couple of years, with the need to think outside the box & plan medium term now.

It won't be long until Google says, no direct linking to merchant on Google (you already can't on Overture or Miva). Then slowly & surely more affiliate sites will get squeezed out entirely or demoted from / in organic search.

Personally I don't advocate to the idea at all that good quality or sites with good content will survive in organic search. What may be deemed as good content to one, may not be to another & is down to personal conjecture. The policy we are considering adopting is don't get emotionally attached to any site, create many & stack them high (you can still create reasonably good quality sites from doing this)

Then what do you do? simply get together as a collective.... however this rarely materialises & perhaps will not work as there is possibly not enough selflessness out there to make it work, with a majority probably waiting for someone else to do it & the likes of Google & Yahoo know this. But just imagine the hype affiliates as a collective could actually make on anything with just a little application & pulling in the same direction. Not suggesting for a moment we should want to get rid of the likes of G&Y not at all, but we should stand our ground with our own offerings & say "no more".

Short term gain is all to easy .... indeed "milk the cow whilst it is fat" (as another affiliate once said) by all means but it isn't necessarily the only way.

One partial solution would be for networks & the massive number of publishers / affiliates to have or create a hybrid search engine / product search with toolbar for affiliates promoted by affiliates. There must surely be a small search engine that is in fact very good & not had the hype associated with it or a R&D (research & development) department in some university needing a bit of financial backing (in return for a stake) that can be promoted instead.

Like Tyson suggested in another thread, most affiliates need or are going to use Google for their means, whether it be SEO, PPC or Adsense no matter what... What you simply do is use them like they use you. (Guessing that 13 to 20% of their adwords spend is derived from affiliates, plus a large proportion from adsense). They will use affiliates until they have no further need for us & simply discard us like some turkey giblet, which won't be that long away, so reciprocate. Earn as much revenue legitimately from them as possible to earn your living but splitting your time, money & resources accordingly to counter with a self insurance measure.

At the end of the day none of us have any divine right to be listed organically in a search engine.
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Can you detect if someone is using Google Toolbar when they visit your site?

If so then promote an alternative, if there is a program for it, or is there a site where your an get your own developed & offer that as an alternative to replace the Google Toolbar.
I haven't heard that there is a way to detect if someone who visit my sites
use Google toolbar. I offer my customers a toolbar which (I hope) has the
same or more options than Google toolbar. So I hope they will prefer to use it
instead of Google one.
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Can you detect if someone is using Google Toolbar when they visit your site?
No you definately can't. You can only setup a kind of "generic" block that stops it executing.

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If so then promote an alternative, if there is a program for it, or is there a site where your can get your own developed & offer that as an alternative to replace the Google Toolbar.
Google's already thought of that. If you've got an AdSense account you'll find Google is now offering Firefox with Google Toolbar as a referral scheme. Basically pop some adsense code on your site and you get $1 for everytime someone installs firefox with toolbar..

Then they roll out phase #2...
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What this lovely baby will do is, say your browsing a website with a review of a new book on it. Google will kindly plant a link on there to it on Amazon.
I'm not trying to act like a member of the google fan club here but we've had this discussion a number of times and it's always left out of the discussion that for this to happen

1. The users chooses to install the toolbar
2. The user clicks the autolink button on that tool bar to activate ISBN links etc

Yes it's a threat to affiliates but it's not underhand like spyware.
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I wonder which network will be the first to do something similar & offer it to affiliates to distribute, as it's something they could easily develope.
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I'm not trying to act like a member of the google fan club here but we've had this discussion a number of times and it's always left out of the discussion that for this to happen

1. The users chooses to install the toolbar
2. The user clicks the autolink button on that tool bar to activate ISBN links etc

Yes it's a threat to affiliates but it's not underhand like spyware.
google are heavily promoting the "pre-bundled" versions. i.e. you install the browser and the toolbar just installs with it. i would hesistate to say the users that can't tell the difference (the bulk of the novice/intermediate) web users would also not be able to distinguish between autolinks and genuine links.

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No you definately can't. You can only setup a kind of "generic" block that stops it executing.


erm not too sure about that but hey what do i know

taken from the site above from the php version in the .inc file it says ... ahem

Prevents the google toolbar from inserting its own links:
1) Writes js to check whether Google's toolbar is installed. If it is, disables any links
the toolbar has inserted.

important part ----->writes js to check whether Google's toolbar is installed
so it would suggest it is possible
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We talking about this?

http://www.searchguild.com/autoblink/

JavaScript to Kill Google Autolink


In answer to the "the user wants it" - well perhaps I as the person who writes a review of a book should get the final say in how it looks and where the links go.

If it wasn't google but another company *how* would you feel?

Maybe the definition of spyware needs updating else what's to stop every company who wants to abusing our pages.
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I use firefox so that I can use a number of extensions to makes changes to the web pages I view. For example I have one that numbers google results and also provides links to do the same current search on MSN or Yahoo. To me this is just the same thing.

It makes my life easier to view a google web page in any way I want to. I don't hold with the idea of a website being a book, if that's what you are looking for then publish your websites as PDF's and the problem is solved

Autolink needs the user to click the button before it will do anything. If the user wants to do this then surely they have that right. It's definitely very hard to compete against and google is a huge threat to us affiliates but the whole "google is evil" style of ar