Finally - a website for you to see!

[Affi Liate]

Originally Posted by benfriedman Nice Site. You might be interested in joining the Sleeping Solutions Programme on Affiliate Window. they are a market leader for beds and bedroom furniture. Would go very well on your site! Let me know if you are interested. Cheers Ben

What planet are you on?

"Nice site"...

It was dreadful and just got more dreadful.

Like I said before... The one positive is the lady is learning. That's it. Period.

I just looked again at the latest version and its worse than before.

YOU people are wasting her time.

It looks dreadful, it is a code nightmare, it will not get traffic from SEO, if you paid to get traffic it would not convert. If you offered to pay visitors money to buy something they would not because they wouldn't trust the site... (catch my drift?) Stop wasting this girls time.

The ONE positive (I find myself repeating myself) is this lady (and whoever's) EFFORT. This needs channeling into a fresh start before she wastes anymore time.

Start again. Get a decent design and build on it.

On another note one or two people (more in fact) are offering to help you here. I did and heard nothing...

That's cool, that's your prerogative.

Now TBP has offered... Take 5 out and ask what you really want to achieve here?

Do you want to spend another 3 months creating a bigger "mess" just so you can benefit some more from the "learning" element.

Sit back. Think. Accept some help and guidance. Help and guidance in starting all over again. You've clearly got the will.

The "will" is the most important thing of all, the next is making a solid foundation and then some money.

...And I'm in a good mood...

Aff.

[katy111]

Hiya first and foremost i would like to thank everybody for their time i have replied on most occasions and once again looking to rebuild the website, thanks for all the constructive advice and if anybody has anymore feel free to mail me many thanks

[tbp]

No problem Katy,

I think that it would be a good idea if you ask for opinions as you go along, rather than waiting until the site is finished. That way if anything goes off track then it can be corrected before you go to far, so you don't do extra work.

[katy111]

Hiya, was wondering is Front page any better than macromedia or should i just stick with macromedia?

[babrees]

Originally Posted by katy111 Hiya, was wondering is Front page any better than macromedia or should i just stick with macromedia?

AARRGGGHHH! Front page is awful for sticking too much additional useless and unnecessary code in.

You said you were stuck on dreamweaver - I offered to help by asking what you were stuck on. If you prefer you can pm me

[tbp]

Frontpage is absolutely horrendous, its the worst "web design" program out there.

Creates massively bloated code. Stick with Dreamweaver, thats the best tool!

[mjp3000]

yeah, Frontpage is awful. A few years ago, I was on a web development course and after introductions there was a show of hands for who used frontpage, dreamweaver or notepad. The one Frontpage user got laughed at...

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, learn HTML and CSS from the base up. Use Dreamweaver, but use code view and flick back to design view just to have a quick look (if at all - you've got to preview in browser really - never trust Dreamweaver layout!)

I can't stress this enough - if you don't know HTML very very well, you'll struggle to get good results. Even Dreamweaver code can be a bit rubbish - but not to the same degree as Frontpage!

Have a look at css Zen Garden: The Beauty in CSS Design for what can be achieved through basic HTML and good css. A great site will always get customers, and as intimidating as it looks, HTML and CSS is not hard to learn.

[fizzbird]

Originally Posted by mjp3000 yeah, Frontpage is awful. A few years ago, I was on a web development course and after introductions there was a show of hands for who used frontpage, dreamweaver or notepad. The one Frontpage user got laughed at...

A bit extreme?

[cookie_monsta]

Hi
First time I've seen this thread and I must say I agree with 'Affi'

Taken a look at the website and its terrible!
( WD Better than my first attempt though )

I admire your enthusiasm but I'm afraid its not going to get you too far with this website.

Sure the best thing you can do is keep playing with designs - that way you will learn how to use dreamweaver and that in itself takes a long time by the trial and error method.

The only tip I'm gonna give as I think its the most important one, is Don't spend any money on it.
Don't like a few have suggested run a PPC campaign on it - thats just insane.

Why would you do that when you could link straight to a merchant site with all the bells and whistles - beggars belief

I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails here - keep on practising.

Just bear in mind your a good couple of years away from publishing your first site though

If that still doesn't daunt you then Crack on! N GL


P.s. btw I did it your way and 5 years on still no millionaire LOL

[mjp3000]

Originally Posted by fizzbird A bit extreme?

Well, no frankly. Have you ever used it and looked at the code? It's probably the worst product Microsoft ever made - certainly the worst I've ever used.

If a hairdresser was on a training course and told everyone they used blunt, 10 year old 99p scissors from Woolworths, there'd be a few chuckles. Same thing really. As a tool of the trade, it's laughable.

[katy111]

Babraes, Definitely will be pm-ing you thank you for your help, as soon as ive sorted out some technical problems weve been having, we will send you off a pm.

we will carry on using Dreamweaver, however difficult it may be, were determined to get this right.

At present, were working on both hometouches, and e-electronics.co.uk (if you look just now you will see were having a few (a lot ) of issues with the template, were hoping to design this completely different to how we designed hometouches, keeping all of your good advice in mind, we will do a page, then ask for your opinion if thats not too much to ask from you all.

Once again, Thanks for all your support and advice, anyone who offered to help via pm, expect to receive one very soon! Thanks Again.