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Ok I have always concentrated on serps for my traffic in Google.
Yes it does take a lot longer and yes it doesn't always work, but I make a decent living from serps alone.
After a conversation with someone the weekend (he knows who he is
£25 budget - 1 product and only a few [exact phrase] keywords
Now I have spent £6.39 so far and made £24.50 from sales since 11am this morning. My end goal is to try to make at least £100 from this £25 investment.
Ok not a huge amount, but it is a nice little start so far and my CPC is very low at the moment.
What did I do ? I just took a very popular product and researched it in the exact same way I would do if I was SEO'ing the website, build a nice landing page and hey presto here I am writing this thread.
Conclusion ? if you only concentrate on serps for your sites, then maybe it is time to diversify into some PPC and test the waters, if you start small then you don't have much to lose
Cheers
You been having a bad day Mogga? LOL
I only do SEO and NEVER do PPC - make a good living - but get virtually ZERO google traffic either (presumeably because Im an affiliate).
ZERO google traffic has nothing to do with being an affiliate (though no doubt this thread will soon be full of people wailing 'Google hates affiliates')....oh well believe what you want....
Never argue with idiots. They just drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience.
If ignorance is bliss then some of the people I know must be orgasmic.
Sorry to go off thread smingle but i do back driveintown.
I did use SERPS only and was an AFFILIATE and still ended up on the FIRST PAGE on google in the FINANCE industry!!!
I also tried Adwords and had the same effect.
£18 spent - £92 made.
profit for a few days work £74
I have only ever used natural results. Last year was the first time I started to get any 'consistent' Google traffic. True to form, I am still waiting to see an increase in turnover from the increased G traffic. G may be 80% of searches now, but that is still research rather than buying visitors if my profits are any indication. Peaks in income always match peaks in Yahoo traffic. MSN traffic is still too low for me to be able to assess its effect.
As I find MSN gives the best results for research - no sandboxing of relevant articles and little spam in top SERPs, my bets still stay with SEOing for Yahoo for income.
If I ever saw a marked increase in income from those click happy G visitors then I may consider PPC - but the fraud levels would need to be a lot lower and easier to reclaims costs for me to even think about it.
The other side of the coin is that I am too busy to be able to spend the time necessary to monitor a PPC campaign. Maybe if I did PPC rather than forums when work is slow ....
Could that be an excuse because your doing something(s) wrong, and aren't willing to change?Originally Posted by Fiver_321
Nice one in your first forray into ppc smingle. I prefer optimizing adwords campaigns to writing good content any day, but maybe I'm just lazy
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I used SEO alone for my first 10 months in Affiliate Marketing. I made a decision that when I started I was going to spend as little money as possible (as with a new family I didn't have much to spare
It was hard going at first, but encouraged me to make my sites as optimised as I can, and to learn as much as possible about the way google works (and in real life its nothing like the SEO tutorials you read online lol). I think it helped me a lot, as it made me focus a lot more on creating good websites, with good content, and I ended up with about 90% of my domains at number 1 for their keywords.
It was a steep learning curve, and for the first 6 months I made nothing, but I kept at it and one I worked out a format that works sales wise, and the best way to get results in Google, the money started coming in.
I then used the money to start a PPC campaign, small at first, but have built it up and its doing very well, getting a minimum return of 8 x what I spend on a daily basis, and recently much more. I`ve used the same strategy for my landing pages as per my sites, and so the conversion rate is excellent. Get around 25% CTR for my google ad's, and then between a 60 - 70% conversion rate from the landing page.
I think starting off with PPC can make you lazy, its easy to earn a bit of money with PPC, and a lot of people stick to that when in reality they can be earning a lot more.
I think that starting off with no budget, and literally making money from nothing (apart from domain / hosting costs), gives you a good grounding which you can then build on with PPC to end up getting the best results.
Im sure there are people who don't agree, but for me I think it was the right way to go. I don't think of making nothing for the first 6 months as a waste of time, as I actually learnt a hell of a lot from it. The hardest thing though is not to give up! It is encouraging when it starts working out though, as if you can make money from nothing, then with some sensible spending you can go so much further. It also means that I don't waste money on PPC, and squeeze every penny I can out of my minimal spend
Even though I use PPC now as well, its not a replacement for SEO, the two work together, and I still put my best into optimising my sites for SEO. When you have a site at number 1 in the serps, and a good adwords position, you can cream off a large amount of traffic (especially in the niche markets I operate in).
Thanks to everyone for their helpful and quality answers
Tbp, I think we have done exactly the same as each other. I set out to spend as little as possible and worked hard for the last 10-12 months from serps only and now make a respectable amount from a few of my sites.
I agree totally with the "getting lazy" if you start with ppc too. Building up your sites with just seo and domain names / hosting costs is definatly a steep learning curve, and one I am embracing every day, as I do AM full time.
My campaign yesterday made me £82 from a £17.93 cost. I had a 10% ctr with a 50%+ conversion rate and an average CPC of 0.17p !
However I logged in this morning and got hit with the dreaded "change your bid to £2.50 or increase your quality score" so I guess that I have been hit with the dreaded google slap. I am not too concerned with it at the moment for 2 reasons :
1. It was only an experiment for me to trial and error
2. I sort of knew the page was not good enough, but trialled it anyway. One of my major strengths is writing unique content, so I will be using this strength on my next PPC campaign.
With regards to this last campaign, I would like to continue with this nice little "niche" I have found but have a question which maybe someone could hele me with, should I either :
1. Create a totally new landing page with fresh content, and ppc campaign based around this new landing page
or
2. Change all of the page (content etc) which has been "google slapped" and see if it lets me lower the cpc ?
If I chose option 2, does anyone have any idea how long this could take ?
Which option is best ?
Thanks for all your help and sorry for rambling.
I have never really tried ppc - not much time and very little experience. So what is this google slap? Do they decide you've found a phrase that is low cpc and then decide that you're landing page is not good enough as a way of trying to deter you?
I'd like some guidance on ppc and a very quick answer to a couple of questions if someone's got the time as I am considering revisiting gppc
1. When you guys say landing pages do you mean a single page on a unique url with an affiliate link to a specific product?
2. Is the general consensus to get the cpc down to research a specific phrase such as 'buy cheap aa car insurance' rather than just 'aa car insurance'?
many thanks
lol thanks for the thread hi-jack
sorry mate - it was kinda related tho
No problem - it is very related mate
So if anyone can answer both myself and Gunneradt's questions we would both be extremely grateful
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