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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

I have to agree with Elaine, I'm really saddened that so much criticism has been levelled at Matt and the team whose only crime is trying to organise a prestigious event to reward innovation and creativity in the Affiliate Marketing sector as well as raising the profile of the industry as a whole.

There seems to be a few key issues that are causing debate, here's my take:

Location
First of all, I don't particularly like coming to London, its full of rude southern softies who like their beer warm. When a network/agency from London asks me when I'm coming to London next so we can arrange a meeting my standard reply is "when are you coming to Sunderland next?" In fairness the forward thinking merchants/agencies/networks etc. make the effort and come and see me. So let me be clear, I do not like making trips to London.

Having said that I think that Matt has 100% absolutely made the right decision in hosting the event in our capital for lots of reasons. Firstly, like it or lump it, its a fact that I would say 70% of networks/agencies etc. are based there, even if my figures are wrong and its as low as 50% then you can't argue that having the ceremony where a good deal of attendees already live/work makes sense.

The fact is by having this event in London there will be a much higher attendance from networks/agencies etc. Having it in London means that the manager of a network can easily afford to buy a full table for 10 people as there will be no time needed out of work and overnight costs. If it was held elsewhere then the attendance will be lower due to exactly those 2 factors.

Also, if the event is going to get media exposure then again it needs to be London, as it simply won't get the exposure it deserves if it was held elsewhere. The press will be reluctant to travel out of the capital for what is to them an unknown event/industry.

Now yes I know the awards is about affiliates too, but wherever the event is held there will always be affiliates who have to travel. As far as I'm aware there are no published reports on the exact location of affiliates in the UK. As far as I am aware they aren't in any clusters, and are scattered about all over the country.

Finally, as London is our capital it has the best travel network for getting there. For example I can get 1 bus, 1 train or 1 flight straight to London from where I live in the North East. The same can't be said for other major cities. And because London is a popular destination there is a lot of competition for customers and I can get a BA flight for as cheap as £40.

Lets not forget that A4U also operate regional get2gethers as do at least 2 of the affiliate networks that I know of. So its not a case of "London or Bust."

Price
Matt has reduced the price for A4U members who are affiliates to only £95 and that price is subsidised. I think this is a great deal. Where else can you get a 3 course meal, drinks, networking (invaluable) and entertainment in a top hotel for those prices? You can't. And yes I know there will be travelling and hotel costs but thats just unavoidable as mentioned above. You would have those costs wherever the event was. And its not too difficult to get really good deals on hotels and travel if you look for them.

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I've known Matt long enough to know that he will put together a totally fair impartial panel who will put 200% into the judging process and I have no issue with this.

Remember that whoever is on the panel will have to commit to meetings etc to discuss and review the entries before the event. Its a voluntary position so the panel members will be giving up their own time and paying their own travelling expenses in order to participate.

There are now 4 awards to be voted by for the A4U community and again I think this is fine. If you look at most award ceremonies from the Oscars down to the NMA awards they are all judged by panels.

I also think that by putting a panel together that as Matt says above there will be much closer analysis. Last year people complained vocally about the merits of a couple of the award winners and there were cries of foul play. This will put a stop to that.

I really hope that as members of the biggest Affiliate Marketing community in the UK we can come together and provide a united front in support of this venture. If you have constructive criticism then by all means lets open a debate, but lets not stoop to cynacism and negativity that does our industry no good whatsoever. We often complain that our industry is seen in a negative light (Grubbygate) so why don't we all embrace the opportunity to show everyone how brilliant, professional, talented and sexy we are?
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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

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Is it intended that there will be one panel or a number of panels?

The reason I ask is that I think especially for the 'Vertical' awards it would make sense to have a panel of people from that Vertical so that they can really judge each entry on its merits.

i.e. there may be a vertical where feeds are much more difficult to work with / obtain than another vertical and so a solution using feeds in vertical a is much more of an achievement than a solution using feeds in vertical b (if that makes sense).
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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

Kieron, utterly wonderful post mate. I totally agree with everything you said.
I think asking past winners to sit on the panel is a great idea
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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

I think the awards is a great idea for Matt and his team, and I hope it is a success.
I won't be attending as I don't feel part of the new industry anymore.
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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

Martin, that's the first post on this thread that I completely agree with.
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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

Still trying to work out whether my hatred of London or love of a posh night will win out on this one.

As for the voting, you mentioned each nomination will be via submission of an executive summary. Could these be posted as separate threads to the forum so people can discuss them and then the panel take those discussions in as a part of their judgement. That seems a way to involve the community without any voting issues and keeps the panel in charge. It could also help encourage more discussion on the forum in general. Finally posting the nomination summaries to the forum should be a deterrent to people submitting 'hopeful' nominations that waste your time.

This isn't a criticism, just an idea that might solve some of the issues raised without creating too much extra work.
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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

We voted for fewer muppets at the A4U Expo than we did at the last election so surely we must be off to a reasonable start?

I had a look at the entry requirements before posting and it looks like pretty standard process compared to any other industry bashes I've seen. Asking for more detail on why the entry is being put forward should make it easier to judge quality entries, but also makes it a lot harder to open up to a mass vote.

I guess the validity of the awards eventually come down to the quality of the panel. It wasn't perfect last time even with the community vote, and I expect there will be some controversy every year, but that's half the fun of it.

I'm up for going anyway. I hope Matt will let me in as an affiliate even if the IAB won't
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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

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I guess the validity of the awards eventually come down to the quality of the panel. It wasn't perfect last time even with the community vote, and I expect there will be some controversy every year
It's been a couple of days so I thought I would ping this back into the limelight - it's hard to compete with the buy.at news!

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I'd be more than happy for people to suggest to me personally anyone who they feel would be suitable for the panel - it's only when you start seriously thinking about it that you realise how difficult and involved a decision it is!
I've not had one PM or email with suggestions on who you feel would be suitable to sit on the panel after posting above :eek: I'd really welcome your suggestions here so we can ensure we have a panel that represents everyone.

Panellists are volunteers who must dedicate time to read through proposals and be available in London for one day to short-list and review.

I appreciate the ideas above from Rich and Keith, however the logistics of having different panels for different verticals would be near impossible for us to manage. Rounded and experienced individuals from all areas of AM would IMO work better.

I can't really see judging entries by thread working either, although its a good idea would it not just get too messy? and it would be very hard to calculate a voting system that fair and unbiased.

I would though like to remind everyone that the 'Affiliates4u Award for Excellence' is a Publishers Choice award.. Anyone involved in the sector can nominate another, so this is your chance to put forward your star in Affiliate Marketing and give them the recognition they deserve up in the big lights!

From the site:

"To be in with a chance to win this award you need to be nominated by the Affiliate Marketing community. If you would like to nominate an individual, team or company for this special award please use the submission form and provide a testimonial stating precise reasons why you feel they should pick up the award on June 5th. The number and quality of the Nominations will be taken very strongly into consideration by the panel."

On a side and personal note...

I've been given a lot of slack over these awards from some quarters which is rather demoralising when myself and Claire are trying to do the best thing for everyone.

From my point of view we are attempting (at great risk to us) to give Affiliate Marketing much deserved recognition through a non-profit making Awards Ceremony. An evening that will holistically benefit everyone in this sector.

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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

Thats not exactly true Matthew.
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  Re: Affiliate Marketing Sector Gets Own Prestigious Awards Ceremony

Late entrant to this thread I know but I just wanted to say that I think a more formal awards ceremony is a great idea and can only help the industry being taken more seriously moving forward, proving we can hold our own against other online channels. I agree that there are issues with panel judging, but a combination of this and the opportunity for members of the forum to vote on some very important categories is a step in the right direction. Matt I am planning on sending a couple of names that I'm sure are already on the panel, out of interest how many people will be on it?

Julie, I think Matt might have just been referring to the excellence reward in his last post?
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