Affiliate Marketing
Forum Search


Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes

  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
MVi-Sean's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester
Posts: 339
Thanks: 1
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
MVi-Sean seems to know their stuff
  Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Hi guys,

We all know that the last-click referrer debate has been going on for quite a while (example post), and that the current "best practise" is to remove ANY commissions for sales (based on last-click referrer) which have been allocated to another online source other than Affiliates.

I have been working with 24Studio, Affiliate Window and Commission Junction over the last month to enable us to step outside of the box a little with regard to the above.

History :

The 24Studio affiliate program has been facing an increasing duplication rate on their sales as the program has been increasing its volume in the last couple of months. Some of the performers on the program raised their concerns about this, and I thought it prudent to address the problem before it became any more extreme and threatened your confidence in the program (as has happened so may times before with big-name brands!)

Having completed some tests using our third-party tracking software, we have identified that due to strong PPC brand activity, a large portion of the duplication (in recent months) is based on customers being cookied by affiliates, but having the sale completed at a later date when the customer searches for the brand (PPC) – resulting in the affiliate losing the sale.

Technically speaking, form a best-practise point of view - the scenario above is (arguably) completely acceptable, but having discussed this with the client to highlight the affiliates point of view - we have agreed to pay a % on these sales for the next 3 months as a test.

We believe that the affiliates are a valuable part of 24studio's marketing mix, and we have used the third-party tracking and the payment system below to help prove this.

How it works :

All standard last-click referrer sales tracked to the affiliates are paid on a 6% commission (standard payment system)

Additionally, when a customer clicks through an affiliate-ad, and goes to the 24Studio site, then leaves the site only to return within 30 days via the PPC brand activity - affiliates will be paid a 3% commission.


The upshot for affiliates :

The upshot of all this is that affiliates on the 24Studio program for the next 3 months will be paid commission on all sales where they have had an tangible involvement! If you have referred a customer from your site, you will be paid commission if the customer returns using brand search!

I know that this is not the usual run of events for this type of situation, but we wanted to acknowledge that the affiliates are an important part of the marketing factor for 24Studio, and that IF an affiliate refers a customer - and they come looking for the brand within the cookie period - the affiliates should reap some of the rewards.

We are testing this for the next 3 months so that we have some robust statistics for the duplication rates of both brand and non-brand, and we'll reassess the situation in February '08

Hope I've explained this well enough!

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments.

Thanks again for all the hard work.

Sean
__________________
Sean | Senior Affiliate Manager | MVi (Mediavest)
Email & MSN : sean.carter@mvmediagroup.co.uk | Phone 0161 242 7282
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
getvisible's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: My Neighbour is Elvis
Posts: 4,510
Thanks: 112
Thanked 45 Times in 28 Posts
getvisible seems to know their stuff
  Re: Last-click referrer - action taken

Hi Sean

You may have known I commented on the matter a few weeks ago:

Affiliate Marketing Blog & SEO Advice: Last Click Commissions - Still Relevant in 2007 / 2008?

It is absolutely outstanding that a merchant / agency / network(s) combination has finally taken the matter seriously.

I hope that others will contemplate applying a value to the education-role that affiliates do undertake in the purchasing process.

This action certainly makes any merchant, and 24Studio in this particular situation, a more attractive proposition when compared to merchants that do allow affiliate brand bidding and down recognise the input of content affiliates.

A great move - Jason there's hope for 2008! Care to update:

Affiliate Marketing - 2008 - The Year Ahead | One Little Duck - Affiliate Blog

with - some merchants choose to value content affiliates at last! ?
__________________
Do you have products for review on an chocolate reviews blog? PM me. Won a holiday to Barbados with www.sunshine.co.uk and is eternally grateful.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
hpops's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,219
Thanks: 106
Thanked 111 Times in 51 Posts
hpops seems to know their stuffhpops seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Hi Sean

Many thanks for posting, a really great technical solution to a complicated commercial problem - nice to see an agency of size put the time in to create as well as the client. We are changing de-duplication policies across our client-base in the new-year and will only be deduping non-brand (product or generic) search activity for the same reasons identified above (hope that didn't come across as thread-jacking - just wanted to add positive action to positive action)

I personally feel that in most instances there is very little difference between a brand search and a direct url type and that that needs to be recognised when dealing with cross-channel issues.

Once again, nice one
__________________
TotalSearchSolutions now providing Affiliate Management services as well as Search Engine Marketing and optimisation.

www.totalsearchsolutions.co.uk
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
Wardy's Avatar
This is the one
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,827
Thanks: 17
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Wardy is an unknown quantity at this point
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

This is a great step forward. I know Sean has been working very hard on this to put the affiliate point of view across and make sure us affiliates don't lose out and has created himself allot more work in the process.

This really is such a positive step forward and definately a nice added plus point to promoting 24studio over other merchants too.

Cheers
Wardy
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
D-Mac's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1,132
Thanks: 25
Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts
D-Mac is an unknown quantity at this point
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Excellent A step in the right direction.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
Bud's Avatar
Bud Bud is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 782
Thanks: 29
Thanked 36 Times in 25 Posts
Bud seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

A great positive step forward Sean - well done, I'll bet it wasn't an easy ride to get this in place.

I'm sure the trial will throw up the need for a few refinements but this is a very welcome new approach.

Are we seeing the future of AM? Hope so!

Nice one Sean - A big pat on the back from me.
__________________
Bud

Great Shopping That Doesn't Cost The Earth: www.TheOffsetShop.co.uk
"Will Dance for Discount Codes!"
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
loquax's Avatar
www.onelittleduck.co.uk
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Swansea
Posts: 2,646
Thanks: 30
Thanked 83 Times in 44 Posts
loquax seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Quote:
Jason there's hope for 2008! Care to update....
A glint of gold in an otherwise bleak landscape - unfortunately when looking at my crystal balls last night this didn't appear

I think this quite a monumental move and 24Studio and Sean should be congratulated for this. It will be interesting to see how it transpires. Good stuff - maybe there is hope after all!

Jason
__________________
Stuff That Ducks Do.. Working | Blogging | Duck Twitter | Loquax Twitter
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
Barry's Avatar
Typing with both fingers.
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: In Fishguard with my lovely coracle.
Posts: 3,400
Thanks: 170
Thanked 75 Times in 55 Posts
Barry seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Does this happen even if the person doing the 'brand' bidding is on the same network as the last affiliate before that?

Ta

edit
or maybe I have read things wrong?
/edit
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
MVi-Sean's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester
Posts: 339
Thanks: 1
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
MVi-Sean seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry View Post
Does this happen even if the person doing the 'brand' bidding is on the same network as the last affiliate before that?

Ta

edit
or maybe I have read things wrong?
/edit
I hope not!! - I think I've opened enough can's of worms for one year - I'm leaving the brand bidding issue alone for now!!

Affiliates aren't allowed on the brand for 24Studio - so the issue shouldn't come up (hopefully)

hope this answers the question?

Cheers

Sean
__________________
Sean | Senior Affiliate Manager | MVi (Mediavest)
Email & MSN : sean.carter@mvmediagroup.co.uk | Phone 0161 242 7282
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
Barry's Avatar
Typing with both fingers.
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: In Fishguard with my lovely coracle.
Posts: 3,400
Thanks: 170
Thanked 75 Times in 55 Posts
Barry seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

I get you now, sorry just re-read your initial post

Excellent stuff.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
Alfie's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 326
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Alfie is an unknown quantity at this point
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Excellent move Sean, well done! Will be interesting to see what impact this has - i'ms ure it will be noticeable which should encourage us ( affiliates ) to lobby other merchants and networks to take a similar stance.

Anyhow, many congrats to Sean!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
drivetowin's Avatar
Driving to win
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: If I'm not at home, I'm in hospital
Posts: 7,399
Thanks: 7
Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts
drivetowin seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Excellent move Sean - I'll be having a definite look tomorrow to see how we can promote 24 studio more.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 10-12-07
3wdl's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,700
Thanks: 115
Thanked 71 Times in 46 Posts
3wdl seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

A step in the right direction but isn't this pretty much always the case? And moreover, shouldn't the affiliate still get the 6%?

As an agency we run duel PPC and affiliate campaigns and whilst it is useful to dedupe to understand there the customers are originating from, I would never, ever dream of cutting affiliates commissions due to this process, especially when most of the PPC sales would be coming from brand terms in the first place.
__________________
James Little | Head of Affiliate Development | AffiliateFuture
Email/MSN: james.little@affiliatefuture.co.uk | Phone: 0207 927 6579
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 11-12-07
MVi-Sean's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester
Posts: 339
Thanks: 1
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
MVi-Sean seems to know their stuff
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Quote:
A step in the right direction but isn't this pretty much always the case?
Hi 3wdl

Thanks for the post - in my experience, it isn't the case any more. A few years ago, before affiliate marketing was quite as popular, there were merchants who would pay all the commissions and PPC fee's without batting an eyelid - but in the last couple pf years, merchants have advanced their understanding of the market place and have pushed their knowledge of the customer journey as far as possible using the latest tracking solutions.

Best practise as it currently stands is for a merchant to pay based on the last click referrer, regardless of brand/non-brand.... I don't necessarily agree with this 100% as it negates the cookie period to a certain extent (and I don't personally like to cancel commissions for any reason if it can be helped) - but there definitely is an argument for this case.

From the merchants point of view, they pay an awful lot of money in order for their brand to be recognised....and not just online.

The reason we've stepped outside the best-practise box (cliché ) - is that we understand that to get a customer to actively search for the brand online (and to have been cookied by the affiliates previously) draws us a map of the customer journey, and highlights that the affiliate has had an involvement in the sale. The 3% commission payment reflects this - the fact that the affiliate has had a hand in the sale, but hasn't necessarily clinched the deal on their own - plus which, the client still has to bear the cost of their PPC advertising....so this is all about finding a balance which both sides are happy with.

Hope this gives you an idea of the thought process behind this action.

Look what you made me do?! - write another essay!

Cheers

Sean
__________________
Sean | Senior Affiliate Manager | MVi (Mediavest)
Email & MSN : sean.carter@mvmediagroup.co.uk | Phone 0161 242 7282
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-07
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 386
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
yesasia is an unknown quantity at this point
  Re: Positive Action Taken RE: Last-Click Referrer - 24 Studio Have Listened to You

Hi Sean,

This is interesting, but I just wonder how you know if a sale came through brand bid activity if the affiliate is using a re-direct ? Or would you not consider these ?

thanks
Stefan
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Awin Index - Star Performers and Improvers petro Affiliate Window 44 1 Day Ago 12:03 PM
A Guide To Spotting Clíck Fraud Banner-Traffic Organic Google Search Optimisation 5 30-03-07 11:42 AM
CJ Action Referral Occurrences! AngelaBx Commission Junction - CJ UK 38 03-06-03 04:40 AM
Referrer error Bosh123 TradeDoubler 5 22-04-03 05:17 AM
TD Down luca brasi TradeDoubler 12 24-03-03 12:45 AM


Affiliate Marketing RSS Feeds - Contact Us - Affiliate Marketing - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC7