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  Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

Guess this is not really the right place to post this.. but as an owner of a gambling site thought you may want to know. I host my site on Bravenet and last week got an email from them saying they were gonna change the IP address of all sites hosted with them. Did'nt think anything about it until 2 days later when i lost ALL MY GOOGLE TRAFFIC.. and i mean down to zero!! this has now gone on for 4 days and going frantic trying to figure it out.. checked.. site is not banned or dropped from google index just lost all traffic full stop. Contacted Bravenet just in case they knew what might have happened and surprised to learn from them that "yes" the changes they just made would affect ranking / traffic until such time google, yahoo etc re-crawled my site as currently my DNS was still redirecting to the old IP address. Fingers crossed this will sort itself out otherwise gonna go bust or start all over! :eek: .. they are telling me to hang on and not do anything for a week or so!.... well me sitting here stunned and waiting !
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

If your DNS is resolving to the wrong IP your site will be down full stop.
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

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If your DNS is resolving to the wrong IP your site will be down full stop.
Thanks for response Mainlime.. seems you know more about these things then i do.. can i paste my communication with bravenet and get your opinion please?

"Hello Support.

Last week i recieved an email from bravenet regarding changes that are going to be made in IP addresses. I did not think this would affect my account for the website http://www.(deleted) as it is registered with godaddy but i host it on bravenet.2 Days after your changes were apparently made I lost ALL TRAFFIC from google.My site up till this time was ranking on page 1 for most of my keywords. I made no changes to my site at all that could have affected my rankings.. could this have anything to do with the changes made by bravenet as i need to know if i need to do anything from my side to correct this matter. You ideas would be most welcome. Thank you."

"Bravenet Web Services Support [XXXXX - Hosting Account Manager] January 31, 2008 09:33:02

When I first checked your website on google it was redirecting to the old DNS for your domain, and as a result no page could be found. This issue should resolve itself within a day, while the new DNS are picked up by google and other websites. The website was already loading for me properly by the second time I tested google for you."

"Member [XXXXXXXXXXX] January 31, 2008 10:50:05
I am ok waiting a few days if things will sort themselves out.. but let me just get it clear ... could the recent changes have caused me to loose all my traffic?.. i am sure you must have answered that already in your first reply.. but i am not that technically minded to understand the meaning of what you said... sorry... do i need to make any changes from my side or upload my site again or anything?.. thanks in advance for your help."

"Bravenet Web Services Support [XXXXX - Hosting Account Manager] January 31, 2008 11:24:08

The google issue is likely related to the DNS change. Traffic should still be coming in though temporarily reduced, and I don't think this short period should affect your search rankings at all."


Does any of this make any sense as to why i lost my traffic?.. feedback would be most welcome. Thanks
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

Can you PM me the domain name?

It doesn't make a lot of sense but I don't know how things are set up. It depends a bit on who your DNS is with: Bravenet or Go Daddy.
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

OK. I think I've figured out what they're on about. It doesn't help that they've not explained themselves very clearly.

DNS servers convert a domain name eg google.com into an IP address eg 123.123.123.123. It's the IP address which is used for the actual communication between the web browser and the server.

When you type in a web address, your Internet Service Provider's DNS server contacts the DNS server which has the records for that domain to find the IP. To save time and reduce load, your ISP's DNS then saves the result so it doesn't need to check again if someone else visits the same website.

I think what Bravenet are saying is that people clicking on your web site from Google will be getting old stale IP information which has been cached by their ISP's DNS. After a day or two the saved data will expire and those DNS servers will query Bravenet again and this time get the correct IP.

Google is a bit of a red herring in all this. You're probably getting just as many people clicking on your link from Google as before, it's just that those users' DNS servers are still giving out your old IP address.

All this implies that Bravenet screwed up when they changed your IP address. They should have reduced the TTL (time-to-live) on the DNS records so they would only be cached for a few minutes instead of the default of several days.
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

Thanks Mainlime.. you took a lot of trouble trying to figure this out for me.. "thanks buddy". I sure do hope this works itself out somehow..but i got a feeling it is not going to be easy. IF the changes in DNS do have a role to play in the loss of my traffic then as you say things will resolve themselves in a day or so.. problem is its been over 1 week already and no signs of things getting any better.With regards to the probability that I am still getting as many clicks, then i dont see how as my pages do not come up at all with my keywords, which as i said used to show up on page 1 usually in first or second place. Now i even looked at the first 100 pages and my pages just aint there ..poof into thin air !!! they do come up if i type in the actual urls but no sign of them when i google them I think i need to work on a contingency plan incase this is going to be a long haul.. problem is i just dont know where to start now
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

Sorry to hear about this, doesn't seem like they know what they are doing!

For a change of IP address like this, what they should of done is first dropped the TTL for the DNS down to 1 hour or less. This should be done at least 48 hours before the move.

As I think has been mentioned, other nameservers round the net keep a cache of DNS info, to speed up resolving a site. Normally, the cache is updated ever 24 hours or so (but can vary depend on how the nameserver is set up). As a result, if you change your DNS it can be 24 hours or more before its picked up. During this time, the nameservers will use their cached info, so if your ip address has been changed they will direct traffic to the old ip.

This means that after the ip change, your site will appear to be down, but then different people will be able to see the site after different periods of time. After 6 hours for example, I could be able to see your site, but someone else couldn't, because it depends on the cache time of the ISP's nameservers.

By setting a low TTL value, it tells other nameservers to look at your site more frequently, such as every hour, and update their cache from it. This should be done 48 hours before the move, so that this instruction propagates to all external nameservers.

Next, you change the IP in your DNS to point to the new server. Although at first your site will appear down to everyone, the DNS name servers will re read the DNS info from your nameserver and update after an hour. This means that the downtime will be minimized, as the changes will be picked up quickly by external nameservers.

Once the site has settled, you can then put the TTL info back up again, as if you are not planning any futher changes there is no need for nameservers to read your DNS so often.

Thankfully, although you are losing traffic, it shouldn't affect your Google rankings. Google knows that servers go offline, so won't mark your site as dead, but will check back later and then should be able to see your site. Your site won't be down for long enough for google to think it no longer exists.

For a couple of days after the move, your server traffic will be down, but should steadily increase as more and more nameservers receive the new information. Unfortunately, post move, there is nothing that can be down to speed things up.

One useful tip when this happens, is that if you want to work on your site, but your ISP hasn't updated the DNS with the new ip address, you can manually do it yourself at your end.

Open C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts in a text editor, and at the bottom you'll see an example like:

127.0.0.1 localhost

Add in your new server ip, in the format IP address domain eg

213.123.111.12 www.mydomain.com

Save the file. (Note that you may need to set windows to show hidden files to be able to see the files).

Now open up the Command Prompt, (Start -> Accessories -> Command Prompt) and type:

ipconfig /flushdns

This will read in the info you added to the hosts file, and it will override any net domain servers. As a result, you`ll be able to get to your site even though your ISP's nameservers haven't updated.

Don't forget to remove the entry a couple of days later, as if the DNS goes down for some reason, you won't know about it
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

Firstly, thanks a million to you guys for your time and trouble. Getting more info here than from Bravenet! So it seems to be that you all think that this WILL sort itself out sooner or later. Tbp, the instructions you gave about manually changing things, although maybe straightforward for most is a little boggling for me and my limited skills and knowledge. I think a contributing factor here might be that i originally got the domain from godaddy but host the website on Bravenet, because there has been nothing odd happening to the domains i origianlly got from bravenet and hosted with them.. do you think i need to go back to godaddy and do something because i reacall i had to enter some data there in order to host on bravenet? sorry to drag this post out.. its getting a bit long and possibly rather boring for people.
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

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I think a contributing factor here might be that i originally got the domain from godaddy but host the website on Bravenet, because there has been nothing odd happening to the domains i origianlly got from bravenet and hosted with them.. do you think i need to go back to godaddy and do something because i reacall i had to enter some data there in order to host on bravenet? sorry to drag this post out.. its getting a bit long and possibly rather boring for people.
You have answered the question.

Yes, you do need to login at godaddy and update the DNS records there.

From what you have said, the nameserver info is with godaddy. You leave that as it is.

What you need to edit is the IP address. Look back at the emails you received from Bravenet - they should have provided you with the new IP address of the server your site is hosted on - and update the godaddy info.

For the domains you got from bravenet, they will have updated the IP address on their side for you, which is why those sites are working fine.

Expect 48 hours after you have made the update before all traffic is resolving correctly.
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  Re: Warning to anyone hosting their site on Bravenet!

Moredial !

Do you think thats it !! wow i got everything including my eyes crossed that this is all that is needed.
Emailed bravenet immediatley upon reading your post...

Wish me luck guys.. this has been a distressing few days and apologies in advance to everyone as this really was not a suitable post for this forum.. but i knew my affiliate buddies would not let me down.. thanks everyone.. and if this works out will surely come back to close this post with an update. Thank you..
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