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  Exclamation Problem with DGM2 links to migrated programs

(sorry if this posted ends up quite technical, but I want to be sure there is enough detail for DGM to reply to the point raised)

I have posted a number of times about a serious problem I see with how DGM are passing DGM2 cookies to the new S2D6 domain when a user uses an old DGM2 link to a program that has migrated to DGMpro, but so far they haven't commented on these issues. I would love to be proved to be wrong but so far it just seems to be being ignored.

The issue is with how they are passing two cookies from the DGM2 domain as GET parameters in a redirect to the S2D6 domain. This mainly affects users of Internet Explorer, but can also affect other browsers in more extreme conditions.

The problem is that both cookies can grow to around 5Kb in size but a GET request longer then 2Kb will fail in IE (source). When this 2Kb limit is reached the request will fail, either with a error which, incorrectly, reports a DNS problem or nothing will happen - both problems that have been reported by others on the forum.

For other browsers the server will fail on requests longer than about 7Kb, so this limit could still be reached if both cookies are large.

Here is a very simple script that shows the 2Kb limit in IE. All it does is a meta refresh back to itself, once every second, adding 100 characters (' 123456789' * 10) onto the GET parameter each iteration.
PHP Code:
<html><head><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="1;url=get.php?data=<?=str_repeat(' 123456789',10).$_GET['data'];?>">
</head></html>
<body>
<p>GET size: <?=strlen($_GET['data']);?></p>
<p><?=$_GET['data'];?></p>
</body>
You can run this script here (please only run in IE). You will see when it gets around 2Kb long it will stop.

As DGM also pass the cookie data between domains when showing a banner it can cause those to stop showing as well. Another simple test I ran, that tried to display a banner via a DGM2 link for a merchant that had migrated to DGMpro and which recorded if the image failed to load, showed that this issue is affecting normal users.

Some links:
http://www.a4uforum.co.uk/showthread...131#post180131 - This post was made when they first moved ediets over to S2D6, back in June.
http://www.a4uforum.co.uk/showthread...571#post190571 - This post lists three problems I see affecting DGM links, they replied to the thread just after but didn't respond to the specific points.

Later in that last thread are some posts highlighting the long term problems with the DGM2 cookie that I feel were ignored for years, this is why it really concerns me that they appear to be ignoring these issures with the DGM2 to S2D6 tracking.
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#176 KevinEdwards - I think the first point is an issue discussed in another thread that the new system aims to eradicate but was a potential problem for some publishers with dgm2.
#183 Me - Can you expand on what cookie/tracking issue/thread your referring to?
#185 KevinEdwards - The thread is the one below this one - about half way through.
#187 Me - Thanks Kevin. I guess it must be the issue with the DGM2 cookie getting corrupt/too big and stopping some links from working as its the only one which will be fixed when DGM2 cookies are no more. As far as I know this is the first time DGM have admited there is a problem connected to the cookie even though its been occuring for a long time and, as the cookie is triggering factor, surely has been affecting visitors as much as publishers.
Hopefully this will be enough detail to get a response.
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Rich - thanks for looking into this and posting in such detail.
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  Those DGM2 links

Just love the email i got today - I reported that forwarding links for 3 merchants are not forwarding correctly.

Rather than trying to fix the problem, here's what DGM Publisher and Integration Support had to say

> Please log into http://www.dgmpro.com/ to update you
> links for these programs.
> Contextual help is available to help guide you through
> the process.

I'm really unimpressed with this. I thought there was a commitment to maintaining the old links for a year...
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Excellent post Rich - thanks from all
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Hi Rich,

Do you know what the likelyhood is of hitting this problem? Will these cookies typically contain more than 2Kb of data or is that only in rare cases?
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Hello,

Thanks for starting this thread. I will be passing it along to our development team for a detailed response, but I can confirm that one of the key changes in our move from dgm2 to dgmPro was to move away from big cookies. We know they're a problem in dgm2, and dgmPro is designed to work just from a user ID, not reams of advertiser specific data.

We will get back to you. Apologies if this wasn't picked up before for a response, but I will make sure we give you some details early next week.

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Do you know what the likelyhood is of hitting this problem? Will these cookies typically contain more than 2Kb of data or is that only in rare cases?
When I ran the test, between 1.6% and 4% of users had a problem. It was just a quick test, which I admit had some flaws in detecting unique users, and that is the reason for the broad range of figures. I could have done a more rigorous test, but that was enough to convince me that this was affecting normal visitors as well as publishers.

Thanks for looking into it Mark.
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Hello,

I will be passing it along to our development team for a detailed response.

Regards,
Mark, am I correct in saying that in your signature you are the CHIEF TECHNICAL OFFICER? i.e. the head honcho for all things technical? Who do you have to pass it along too ? The junior techie guy who makes you a cup of tea in the morning ? Arent you meant to be the one at the top. Surely turning around to someone else i.e. the MD, FD, the receptionist they will say I dont know its your job to sort out and fix?

I think it is a nice and eloquent way of delegating responsibility or admitting that RICH seems to have nailed it on the head and now your stalling until YOU can think of a suitable answer other than admit that the seamless migration does in fact have lots of open seams which are rapidly pissing everyone's money onto the floor inlcuding ours, our fellow affiliate friends, your clients and ultimately yours.

We all want a fix to this nightmare so that we can do business with you.

I look forward to the resolution so that we can start to do business with you again.

I'm even half tempted to buy shares in dgm2 now they are stupidly cheap following the share price crash as a result of recent dgm business activities.

Surely they can only go up from where they are now. It cant get any worse can it ??? The question is when do I invest in shares. When will the share price go up ? When will you prove to the city and the rest of your investors, affiliates and me that you or anyone at dgm actually knows how to run the business in the best possible light.

I do not wish to be overly critical if at all. I am just looking forward to the day where I am able to do business with your clients. If you want my override, then you (DGM) need to facilitate this before someone else does.

Good luck with all the changes. I don't envy you one bit, and I for one appreciate open communication.

Keep me informed, keep me earning, keep me happy.

Mike

P.S. Rich - Awesome post, even for someone not techie like me I understood the problem and that there is A PROBLEM. Well researched and very well highlighted.

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I think to be fair to Mark he is DGMs CTO (and having had a few long discussions with him recently he certainly knows his stuff technically) but he may not have an indepth understanding of how every bit of their tracking works - thats the whole point of having a development team.

While DGM undoubtedly need to sort this out, I for one am happier with DGMs team approach which is not dependent upon the knowledge of just one person (unlike at least two of the UK networks where there is only one person at each with an in depth technical understanding of how their tracking works - God help all of us if that person gets run over by a bus!)

And to echo the comments of others, once again Rich, thanks for investigating this and reporting on it so clearly.
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Having reread my post and Keiths comments I apolgise Mark, as it did seem as though I was firing away. Just needed someone to sound off at and you were top of the line. Good luck with getting this fixed with your team.

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Mark,

Any news on that detailed response?
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