childrensroom.co.uk

[John Jupp]

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yeah but why shoot the messenger? FFS! All I did was advertise something for someone else. OK so maybe I shouldn't advertise it but in that case every one of you with an objectionable product to someone else can stop advertising too.

Sod it, I'm taking the weekend off to go shooting.

[aqls]

I would not like to be that rabbit/deer/pheasant/grouse.

Just happily collecting winter shelter for it's childrens room . . .

aqls

[DavidCartlidge]

Is it still for sale?

I like it, good generic domain that fits well with one of our sites.

[John Jupp]

pm sent with details.

[purple]

Was this domain picked up on the drop? or was it just not registered at all

[John Jupp]

My understanding it was on the drop for this weeks releases.

[John Jupp]

Yep

Confirmed. 3,000 domains dropped 3 days ago, many generics, most now snapped up.

[jess1]

Hey Elaine... no Lee does not work for me, John merely freelances for APA if that’s where you are seeing the connection. APA don’t buy domain names, we probably should but any domain name I have ever gotten has always been the ones that are available.
Ill read this thread now, Im just responding to your first post... so I have not looked at the problem.

Elaine I thought we are mates, so before I read this... you should have emailed me if you had concerns and not just attatch my name to some thing I had no knowledge of and have absolutely nothing to do with, which is why I really dont like this aspaect of the forum, I am expecting a full apology.

APA freelancers are what they are all independent people with their own companies.
They have been taken onboard APA mostly to do aff managment and maybe a few other projects. John has his own company and what he does with his company is his business.

Ill read the thread now...

[Lawcom]

It just sounds to me that childrens room are throwing the toys out of the pram !!!

What's your problem, you were offered, you don't want it fine move on..

[jess1]

Would I have bought that domain name if offered to APA? Absolutely not.
We don’t compete with affiliates and you know why? It’s a big pond out there and Im wayyy happy just educating and helping out, Im not so insecure that Id want to kiss off a relationship for a pathetic £500.00, so no Elaine, we don’t do business like this and Im a little shocked that you would have even linked me into this.

As for John and his domain name brokering, from where I sit, it’s a precarious position for you to be in for sure and I’d possibly weigh up the pros and cons of being middle man and think about why Elaine got so cross.

But on the flip side Elaine, there is enough written advice for any one who has registered a domain name to know, if you want to protect your name, go register all the variants including misspellings.

What has occurred here was not illegal, its called business. If the domain name was freely available to buy it back in the day, it should have been bought and locking the stable door after the horse has bolted springs to mind. If I had been in your shoes..
1. I would have negotiated but bought the domain name, £500 is not a bad price.
2. Because Im so confident in what I do, I really wouldn’t care.

So end of the day what has been achieved here?
Highlights the age old problem of cyber squatting and unless you want to go through the courts to prove you have rights over a domain name.. its still good old fashioned negotiation and if you cant negotiate, don’t sweat it, be confident in what you are doing with the domain name you have. If we all live our life in a permanent state of paranoia we are not going to get any where.

Interesting case about a year ago, I was chatting to some one that’s posted here about an idea I had, asked that person if they wanted to participate, the end of this story is I no longer say anything to any one any more, so even this old bird can get stung.

There are people here who check company’s house, domain names you have registered who you are connecting with. In business there is no morals and ethics by law (porn industry possibly being an exception), Affiliate marketing there is no legal law that says I cant buy affiliates domain names but… I chose to have ethics and morals and yes I could be losing money by not going down that path for a quick £/$, in short, its just not worth it as I would lose far far more in the long run, I hope that clears things up Elaine?

Now then… APA Freelancers, all are independent people with their own companies and are brought onboard with APA to do a specific job. Most are consultants within their own right, they have their own businesses and their own clients. John manages a couple of programs and is 100% top notch aff manager, but… he is a bit more, he has other skills sets that APA will benefit from, I can categorically say, its not buying domain names for us or brokering. As for Lee? I cant remember the last time I even spoke to him.

[rob.co.uk]

It just sounds to me that childrens room are throwing the toys out of the pram !!!

What's your problem, you were offered, you don't want it fine move on..

Worth a read of http://www.affiliates4u.com/forums/member.php?u=24914 ie. lawcom's userpage, to put that post in a context.

Thanks a lot for your suggestion about 3 trademark names, that I have googleshopping.co.uk, msnshopping.co.uk and yahooshopping.co.uk. You mentioned about £5000 each,and I am sure you can sell more than this if I can sell these domain names

That gives an idea on views on TM / names people have rights in, values from your point of view

I am sure google / yahoo / msn would all be chucking toys out of the pram as well... :tup

[Lawcom]

How does that put it context idiot, I don't even know who that guy is or why he contacted me and I never replied I'm not interested in brokering never done it and never will..

He was replying to a post ...

You're just like bit chy office workers with nothing better to do...

I would go with what Jess says..

The onus is on Elain to protect her brand and it would seem to me to have offered £250 would be reasonable for everyone.. it would cost far more than that to go to arbritration and even then they would decide on a compensation price.

So get your facts straight instead of trying to undermine people with your pathetic responce..

[drivetowin]

I'm so busy dodging the toys I just got run over by a pram...

[Entrepreneur]

My understanding it was on the drop for this weeks releases.

It dropped on the 22nd of September, but strangely it appeared on my droplist for last night

I actually catch domains on a daily basis and like rob.co.uk know plenty of others who do so too (I can also vouch for John Jupp's integrity). I mostly register them for my own use, selling occasionally.

A better model for Lee might be to invest the £5 reg fee in the likes of childrensroom.co.uk, contact the individual / company who would benefit most from it saying that it had been caught and registered in their name with his compliments.

He could then go on to explain the importance of domain names to businesses - something he is obviously passionate about - and then outline and offer his services on a paid basis should the individual / company respond positively to the act of kindness and the strength of his pitch.

Yes he would have to give away the odd name, but it may prove far more lucrative in the long run than regular fire sales.

Just my 10p worth.

[rob.co.uk]

How does that put it context idiot, I don't even know who that guy is or why he contacted me and I never replied I'm not interested in brokering never done it and never will..

His post of You mentioned about £5000 each - did you say they were worth £5k each or is that poster wrong?

The onus is on Elain to protect her brand and it would seem to me to have offered £250 would be reasonable for everyone.. it would cost far more than that to go to arbritration and even then they would decide on a compensation price.

So get your facts straight instead of trying to undermine people with your pathetic responce..

I think it is pathetic to try and sell names to rights holders at just under the cost of arbitration, as that is basically the bottom of the barrel end of cybersquatting.

Each to their own though

EDIT:
Trademark - Domain that thread is an interesting read regarding 'lawcom' and context - apologies for being an 'idiot' but it seems you did say what I refered to:

Lawcom said:
Personally I'd set your price at around £5000 each and you may well get £1000 per domain, that's just from experience, if you can get that I'd take it and run ..

I know everyone has a difference of opinion, however there is no two ways about it - getting names and targeting rights holders is the definition of cybersquatting - that is *not* domaining.

Apologies if this is 'bitc hy' pathetic and the words of an idiot, but I would say that advising others to do the above would be along the same lines