childrensroom.co.uk

[mathew]

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I think we all know Lee's morality has long been tarnished.

You really shouldnt rub people the wrong way in the very community you are part of, especialy for a few hundred quid.

Legal or not, every thread like this is damaging his name in the domain and affiliate world. Is it worth it?? I personaly wouldnt broker for someone whos been banned on pretty much every forum.

Ive seen many lists of his domains for sale and some stupidly high prices being asked for names like this that he thinks he can make a quick buck off of by holding it ransom.

Anyway, thats just my 2p!

Hope it all works out,

Mathew

[DavidCartlidge]

I know everyone has a difference of opinion, however there is no two ways about it - getting names and targeting rights holders is the definition of cybersquatting - that is *not* domaining.

Firstly, in this case there are no 'rights holders' - it's a generic.

Secondly, by your definition, if you offer the domain to everybody bar the company that would most welcome the domain, it's fine - but to offer it to the company that may want it, it's wrong?

[rob.co.uk]

Firstly, in this case there are no 'rights holders' - it's a generic.

Secondly, by your definition, if you offer the domain to everybody bar the company that would most welcome the domain, it's fine - but to offer it to the company that may want it, it's wrong?

Ok - in simple terms, if Childrens Room the company issued a DRS against Lee Owen they would very very likely win due to them having rights in the name, and the name being offered to them - the fact it was via a affilate forum / previous knowledge of them and within 72hrs of catching it all would not work in favour of it.

The DRS is not 'law' however it is the policy that can affect the ownership of .co.uk names. It does not matter if you agree or disagree, it is what happens.

A few domainers have asked why I am 'wasting time' on this thread as 'A4u people dont understand domains' - my reasons are simple:

1 - As mentioned this type of thing gives domainers a bad name.

2 - If names such as childrensroom.co.uk gets to DRS, they get lost and its another nail of rubbish DRS decisions which risk future domains. Look at finecheeses.co.uk decision for an example. Similar can be said against the like of GoogleShopping.co.uk - why bother?!

I certainly do not think the Policy is brilliant, read my consultation response, however that is the rules as it stands and breaking them does not help anyone.

[John Jupp]

I have already said to Lee that if he wishes to have me advertise any more domains he holds I must have the history first, particularly any approaches made so as to avoid episodes like this ever happening.

From my perspective all I can do is once again apologise for any hurt feelings incurred. I posted in good faith.

[renegade]

A better model for Lee might be to invest the £5 reg fee in the likes of childrensroom.co.uk, contact the individual / company who would benefit most from it saying that it had been caught and registered in their name with his compliments.

He could then go on to explain the importance of domain names to businesses - something he is obviously passionate about - and then outline and offer his services on a paid basis should the individual / company respond positively to the act of kindness and the strength of his pitch.

Yes he would have to give away the odd name, but it may prove far more lucrative in the long run than regular fire sales.

Just my 10p worth.

Agree 100%

[Lawcom]

Got to agree it is a bit sharp and perhaps oppertunist, but in reality childrens room should have and could have been more on the ball..

childrensroom is a better domain than childrens-room IMO .. and as it is their business a good manager would have been monitoring that domain.. they weren't and they missed it.

The consequence is they would have to pay a little more for their blunder.. so what, pay the money take control of the domain, learn from the post mortem and move on..

No point crying about it on a forum, take control, I think it is far more important to not let the domain go to be hawked about and taken up by someone else who may well effect your business, why wait for that to happen, negotiate with the current owner, whether you like it or not, you don't have to like everyone you do business with..

Then it's done dusted sorted.. That's damage limitation, managing your risk..

[jess1]

lawcom:

That's damage limitation, managing your risk..

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[LearnAffiliateMarketing]

Hi Guys - Just a small point but might be worth doing....

As and when you notice domains being registered that are clearing trying to be opportunistic on your domain name (such as Childrensrooms.org.uk), it might be worth adding that site URL to the 'site exclusion' list in your Google PPC account. This will mean that you can keep them off your affiliate budget (by never accepting their affiliate program application) and keeping them off your Google budget by never showing an advert on their site.

Cheers Al

[Elaine]

I think there's a few issues to clear up here.

First my assumption that Jess's company, Affiliate Marketing Advice, was responsible for touting the domain name, obviously I was wrong - and glad to be so, and I've sent Jess a PM explaining my actions.

but I will say that if any post on this, or any other forum, contains Allkids or Children's Rooms in the signature then I, as the CEO of both companies, will hold myself responsible for the contents, whether I agree with them or not and take the necessary actions.

Lee Owen - I knew of Lee's reputation before he contacted me, but this had no bearing on my reaction to his offer, this is the email I sent him when he declined my £100

it’s not something I get involved in (similar domain names) – maybe I should – looking for type in domain names which could be pointed at our main site.
I’m always worried Google will move the goal posts and I’ll end up with duplicate content – far fetched, but something similar happened a few years back with some old domains residing on Yahoo which caused Allkids to plummet in Google – took months to sort it.

If you want a quick sale for £100, ever – let me know, if not I’ll wish you luck with it and hope you make a bob or two.

I've never had a problem with him selling the domain, I don't place a lot of importance on trying to get every variation/mis spelling for any of my domains -there's far too many in this sector for me to worry about and I'm far too busy to get involved, but if one comes along and it's not too expensive I'll take it or if someone does get a similar domain and then tries 'passing off' then I'll take legal advice.

I do know there's a heck of a lot of money to be made in buying/selling domains and it is in the domainers interests to 'scaremonger' to keep the asking prices bouyant - it's just I don't buy it - not having self-explanatory domains hasn't harmed Google, Amazon or Ebay!

Should I give John Jupp the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know that I was the owner of Children's Rooms (assuming that he has seen my posting on the forum), and that he did post this offer in all innocence and that he had no intention whatsoever of 'holding me to ransome' for it and accept his apology - yeah, life's too short and I'm just glad Jess wasn't involved.

[affiliatemarketingltd]

Elane,

dont know john much but have dealt with him in the past
i do know that if he knew of any potential problems with any domain ( like this for example ) he wouldnt have posted it

[Leeky]

Allkid.co.uk is still unregistered, so would anyone be wrong now to register that and offer it for sale also? or should everyone not register any generic domain names if the plural is already owned by someone?

If you do not regisister the plural or non plural of your generic domain name then it must be thought that you are not really interested enough in it.

I think people are being a bit too harsh on John, he seems a really decent bloke to me. :-)

Lee

[affiliatemarketingltd]

think you need to check allkid.co.uk again lee lol

[affiliatemarketingltd]

and before anyone jumps down my throat lol .....

yes i registered it ...

however it is NOT for sale !

Elaine & KevForth .. if you want the domain simply ask and i'll arrange the transfer .. No Purchase needed all you'd need to pay is the transfer fee from nominet
If not let me know and i'll happily become anaffiliate using that domain if you have an affiliate program

I registered it simply because i could see someone else registering it and we'd be having this discussion all over again which is not neccesary .. so as i said before .. Elaine / KevForth .. if you want AllKid.co.uk .. simply ask

[Leeky]

think you need to check allkid.co.uk again lee lol

Your a brave man lol

Lee

[KGP]

you were quick i was about to register it while i "traced down" Lee (hadnt talk to him for ages) in order to ask him (out of curiocity) if he is going to register the domain or not...

what he answered? well that its not generic...not catchy and would make no sense without the plural, so therefore no interest for him...

btw i find it unfair to accuse of someone without him/her being able to reply...to be honest when i first saw the post from Elaine i thought that it was her fault of not registering the "relative" domains ... i do think like that as i am having exactly the same situation when registering a domain especially when i have to check whether the .co.uk, com, .de etc tlds are available as well as any issues related with plurals and/or hyphen ("-") as i dont want to face the same issues as per above discussion

and just for your information i am not on the domain business i dont sell domains, rent, lease...etc thus i am not going to debate whether its ethical, correct or not...

ancient greeks used to say something like "if its fair its ethical" but nowadays we have to abide, live with "if its legal its ethical"...


Ps btw i am with noones side...