danieltay goes on a rant about TD

[danieltay]

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So guys, you are asking me to setup a new subject on this. Now you get it.

The people in TD is telling lies, simple as that. And when you questioned their lies, you gonna get it.

And when you ask too much, they will shut your account down, and runaway with your commissions.

They even give me a lame excuse to shut me down, and avoiding answering to their lies.

I've proof of their bad support, and I'll produce it if neccessary. To sum it up, the worst support I've ever experienced in this lifetime.

I've problems in getting into some of the credit card programs. There is no reply from them until I got mad and shoot them hard right at the bottom.

And when they get back to me, they till me lies!

They said I was unable to get in because there are US credit cards on my site. The card issuer do not wish to mix British Cards with International finance programs, my site is not UK specific, you have been rejected from
the program as you feature USA issued credit cards, blah3.

So I pointed out one of the site that has US credit cards and other international finance programs yet ironically is able to get the program. How can this happen?

I also asked why they give access on credit card programs to a cricket supplies site and deny acsess to a credit card site. They tell me this cricket supplies site is a very large keyword broker.

But if this is so, why this so called "very large keyword broker" only runs credit card program besides, of course cricket stuffs, and nothing else? And I also questioned why they do not ask the cricket supplies site to setup a separate domain for credit card but lump all credit cards into the cricket supplies site.

They avoid answering both questions and terminate me. I'm ready to produce all the evidents if requested.

I am suspecting TD staff(s) have self-interest in the cricket supplies site. Both of my questions do relate to the same cricket supplies site.

I am also well aware that credit card programs do have a quota. Because the quota exhausted due to their abuse of alllocations to the wrong party, they give me all kinds of excuses. What is harder to stomach is all the reasons given are broken by the cricket supplies site yet this site is able to run all the programs.

They shut my mouth up by terminating me, hoping that I'll not be a pest to their effort in making illegal monies.

I'll file a complaint to all the credit card program merchants found in TD. If you guys experiencing problems with TradeDoubler on any credit card programs, let me know by posting here.

I'll compile all your problems and submit to the respective merchants, asking them to terminate TD and appoint other network.

I'll also write to FSA and is now considering option to take TD to court.

So guys, stop this practice of daylight robbery. TradeDoubler is indeed a network of crooks and incompetent people. Post your problems and protect your commissions.

[1BIZLIST]

You're persistant I'll say that for you.

Firstly, if TD have said no to you then why get upset about it in the first place? it is not your given right to be accepted by any merchant, and any of us can at anytime be removed from a program. They gave you the reasons for your not being accepted in which case you had a choice, remove the US credit cards and go for UK only or not join the program and carry on as you are.

I have no idea why you find a problem with the cricket site being accepted either, if it has large amounts of traffic from a wide range of keywords fine, at the end of the day if the merchant is happy with the leads from the site so be it, I assume the cricket site is simply running banner ads and not some sort of comparison of CC's in which case how and why would the FSA get involved?

TD do not have a right to terminate you - however, I suspect you probably mean your account in which case they have every right, if you have been aggressive to their staff members, as I suspect may be the case by your tone ever since you started posting here. However if they have withheld commission as you have stated then I'm not sure they can do that, although I must admit I did not read their T & C's too thoroughly

Life is too short, accept it and move on.

Mark

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Ahh are you talking about having accrued some commission before the merchant had accepted / declined you but you still placed links on your pages? I'm betting this is the case in which case you do not have any rights to the commission as you were emailed stating that if you place the links you will not get any commission should you be declined by the merchant.

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[Aquanuke]

Its not down to TD to accept or deny individual merchants, each merchant checks there applications and either accepts you or denies you.

Why waste the time of TD's staff and such a long winded post when you obviously have no idea how this works.

Why do you want international creditcard programs and domestic creditcard programs on the same page anyway. Surely you would do better targetting traffic rather then a huge list or irrelevant merchants lumped on one page.. umm I can see why some merchants would not want to be on that page.

[rich7111]

Danieltay it is better to get it of your chest rather than post in every subject regarding this. Firstly, without being rude, don't take offence but what gives you a right to pass judement on a cricket website, I know the website is question as I have been on their website.

When you apply for a credit card campaign like any other on Tradedoubler the merchant will review your website and email you. No campaign is guaranteed to accept you - You have no right to run any campaign either.

The merchant doesn't have to go into a full debate why the don't accept your application, if you ask you will usually find out, the truth may not be what you want to hear in some cases...

What I am reading in to this is that you applied to a campaign and you were refused, instead of asking the reasons and trying to work around it you have started insulting Tradedoubler and threatening them, which is unprofessional.

There is a few credit card campaigns available on Tradedoubler, if you are declined by one you may be accepted by another...

You have to accept that Tradedoubler cannot just over turn a merchants decision, they may of been willing to find out real reasons and explain them to you...

No one on this website can pass judegement on what makes a suitable website and what doesn't as no two sites are the same.

I run a credit portal and have been declined before, I simply ask why, work around the problems and re-apply, I can only hope they accept me, I cannot blackmail them into it.

As for the support issues, I am not 100% on Tradedoublers support, it's declined a lot over the past 18 months and things are slipping to an all time high, I am sure Tradedoubler are aware of this by reading many of the subjects on this forum.

As for witholding your money, I don't think any one of us Affiliates are stupid enough to work for a network that simply steals commissions. I have been with Tradedoubler for over 4 years and never heard or had my monies stolen.

I think you should be careful what you are saying as this could lead to legal proceedings against you.

If you haven't done anything wrong I would imagine Tradedoubler will pay you once they have collected your monies owed from the merchants, again this is for Tradedoubler to discuss to you one 2 one as professionals.

Stay calm, telephone Tradedoubler and explain your situation and stop threatening them, I am sure both of you can resolve this without all the action you are threatening.

Just my two pence worth anyway!

[danieltay]

Hello everyone!

Thanks for the comment and help.

The storm is a little bit calmer now. I guess due to my emotional doldrums, there are some misunderstanding on what I am trying to achieve here.

Let me address one by one in my best, not-so professional self. And please excuse me for my so called unprofessional behaviour. You'll soon find out why. I'll try my best to tone down my voice and bent on my knees.

Mark, can't agreed with you more. Life is short, move on. I'll when the time is right.

"I assume the cricket site is simply running banner ads and not some sort of comparison of CC's in which case how and why would the FSA get involved?"

You're wrong Mark. The cricket site does run a comparison of CC's. Can you sense something not right here?

To rich7111, I've no intention to question the cricket supplies site but it just happened to be closely link to this case. I brought up the site just to make comparison. I've nothing against the cricket supplies site.

Aquanuke and everyone. It is not that I am absolute idiot. I knew that it's up to the network provider and the merchant to approve a program. I've been rejected before in US, UK and Australia affiliate programs. That is nothing personal and I don't take a damn about such thing.

Aquanuke, I am not dumping all credit cards in one place. I am no novice or dumb. I've a special section for different countries done nicely and clearly. Otherwise, how would I get approval for other credit card programs in UK? And I am able to generate targeted traffic easily to each specific site. Please, not like what you imagine, I guess I am a little bit clever than you thought.

"However if they have withheld commission as you have stated then I'm not sure they can do that...."

"Ahh are you talking about having accrued some commission before the merchant had accepted / declined you but you still placed links on your pages? I'm betting..."

Mark, you are incorrect. They stated that they will not give me any commissions on sales generated. I only display the links after I've been accepted.

Anyway, you bring up a good point Mark - To all affiliates out there, do not place any link until you're accepted by the merchant because the sale generated before approval will not be credited to you if you're declined by the merchant.

So back to the real issue... why am I so upset if I am used to get rejected elsewhere with no issue whatsoever?

Simple. I found that the reason given by TradeDoubler are nothing but lies. I can never accept a network who lies and taken you for a ride, after wasting your time for months.

They told me I cannot have non-British cards. But when I go to the cricket supplies site, I saw there are non-British cards right on my eyes. And the cricket supplies site is running the credit card programs that I've been rejected. So why is this happened?

That prompted me to ask why they would give credit card programs access to a cricket site versus a credit card site? Where is the logic?

That really angered me beyond my rational self. And I've come to conclusion these guys from TD are lying.

So the cricket supplies site is brought up just to show you guys something is really not right with TD. Again, I've nothing against the cricket supplies site.

I suspected TD is making the decision themselves without referring to the merchants. Otherwise, I don't get it!

Or even worst, TD is not taking care of their affiliate by allowing them to run programs against the rule set by the merchants(non-British card aye).

So why do merchants want to work with irresponsible network such as TD, tarnishing their image and damaging their brand? Unless the merchants are not aware of TD slacking behaviour.

And then I got an email saying my account is terminated, and I'll not get any commission for any sales I've made.

Who cares if I don't get my commissions? I don't even want to work with crooks like TD. I'll not die if I don't run the credit card programs in TD. It's the merchants lose, not me. Mark, yeah life is short. But I'll keep myself quiet only after I got my message across to all affiliates in UK, all the credit card merchants and FSA.

rich7111, they have no intention resolve the issue, Otherwise, they would not terminate me without explaining my above two questions.

rich7111, I would love them to take legal proceedings against me so I can show to the whole world this tragic episode of a liar network in Great Britain.

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Just another story to share with you about TD integrity or rather non-integrity!

I wonder why a brand like Amex would want to work with TD. Tell me which network give you 5/6 digit codes on commission schedule? And then after you made a sale, telling you it's only £10 pound. Read this post:-
http://www.a4uforum.co.uk/showthread...highlight=amex

Interestingly, I've asked them about this confusion of starting from £10 or from £20. They just attached a screenshot of the commission schedule with 5/6 digits code. When I asked how to read the code, why is there is no clear indication of what card at what rate, guess what is the answer? SILENCE forever, no answer!

So even from the beginning, I've suspected TD is a crook and the post found in this forum give a concrete evidence of the dispute over Amex commissions.

It'll be interesting to get someone from Amex to comment on this, whether Amex is the one asking TD to show such a dubious commissions schedule.

Time to go, I want to contact Amex about this crook called Troubler. Sorry, I meant TradeDoubtler... oh no TradeDoubler yeah, finally I got it right... so hard to spell their name right, as good as their reputation.

[pricethat]

Me and my mates think danieltay is not all there in the head, where was the day light robbery? no one got robbed? Sounds like danieltay was an only child, or at least behaves like one.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the cricket site was a trusted affiliate and that they have better things to do than let people like you on their programs?

So what if they lied, would you rather them tell you to sod off you anally retarded dimwit instead?

[drivetowin]

To be fair to Daniel I would assume that either a) he is relatively young and/or b) English is not his first language.

Daniel - you obviously feel very aggrieved by what you perceive TD has done to you - as witnessed by the countless posts you made on the subject last night.

Sad as it is, whining hysterically and making libellous statements in a public forum is not going to change anything - I very much doubt whether you would stand eye to eye in a room with TD chief executives and call them liars and cheats, so please don't do it here either.

Reading between the rants, I believe what you are saying is that you promoted a credit card merchant via TD on your website (presumably having been approved by that merchant) and made some sales.

Now, TD is refusing to pay the commissions earned as you have international content on your site, against the merchants terms and conditions.

Whether they are allowed to do this depends on the precise wording of their terms and conditions - you would need to seek legal advice to be 100% certain on this point. But even if they do not pay, that is a commercial debt, it is not theft.

The fact another site may or may not be breaching the same terms and conditions does not make it right, or mean that you have any right to do so. Every day people commit shoplifting offences and get away with it, that is a fact, but does not give any of us a right to walk into a shop, pick up goods and walk out without paying.

Merchants and networks have an absolute right to decide who they want to work with, and to terminate that relationship at any time - just as we as affiliates have the right to remove any merchant or networks advertising from our websites at any time - they are just simple commercial decisions.

I hope that you do get this matter resolved, but public rants will not get it resolved any quicker.

[danieltay]

Hello there!

It has nothing to do with me not getting commissions because I violate the merchants rule and then got terminated.

All the merchants I've got approval have no problems with my site whatsoever.

Got it clear?

They shut me down for other issues. They scared I'll exposed their cheats and lies.

They terminate me because I questioned their way of allocating program access to a new credit card program that I've not yet get approval.

They give access to a cricket supplies site that is readily breaching the terms and conditions whereas I was refused. And would you believe it that a credit card site cannot get into a credit card program, but a cricket supplies that breaks all the laws get in just like that.

I hope my English is clear enough and good this time around.

[danieltay]

Me and my mates think danieltay is not all there in the head, where was the day light robbery? no one got robbed? Sounds like danieltay was an only child, or at least behaves like one.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the cricket site was a trusted affiliate and that they have better things to do than let people like you on their programs?

So what if they lied, would you rather them tell you to sod off you anally retarded dimwit instead?

God bless you mister!

Do you mean it's appropriate for a site selling children books to feature an adult site? Children book is a trusted affiliate, no doubt about this. Very good explanation.

My god! My English is so bad I can't understand you.

[drivetowin]

OK I got you now - they wouldn't approve your site, but they approved this cricket site.

So what the hell is the big deal, they can approve whoever they like and disapprove whoever they like - what makes you think that your site has any god given right to run their programme - if they don't like your site, they don't like your site, they don't have to explain themselves to you - they have no legal or contractural reason to do so - just as you can choose not to run their ads and don't have to explain yourself to them.

It is a business decision - it happens all the time - get over it and move on - you are just making yourself look like a sad petty minded individual. If you whined at them like you whine on here no wonder they shut your account down.

[KieronD]

I'm sorry danieltay but posting comments like you did above won't help your case one bit. You need to grow up and show some maturity and respect if you want to be taken seriously.

[pricethat]

Me and my mates still think you are bonkers

PS, and you can stick "gods blessing" up the proverbial you know where

[10k]

Perhaps you should let us know what your site is, that way you could get some contructive advice as to why your site may have been rejected which may help you to improve

[danieltay]

OK I got you now - they wouldn't approve your site, but they approved this cricket site.

So what the hell is the big deal, they can approve whoever they like and disapprove whoever they like - what makes you think that your site has any god given right to run their programme - if they don't like your site, they don't like your site, they don't have to explain themselves to you - they have no legal or contractural reason to do so - just as you can choose not to run their ads and don't have to explain yourself to them.

It is a business decision - it happens all the time - get over it and move on - you are just making yourself look like a sad petty minded individual. If you whined at them like you whine on here no wonder they shut your account down.

Yes, agreed with you, that is what I've in mind, move on, no big deal... just BUT!

If they don't like my site, why they give me approval for some other credit card programs? Why waste my time promoting? They should tell me in the 1st place.

Secondly, are they entitled to take away my sales commissions for site which is valid? If this can happen to me, it'll happen to every affilaite in TD. Just would like to warn you all.

And I'll never accept a network who try to lie and cheat on you. If they can do so on your program access, imagine what they can do to your commissions. Don't be surprised if it get stolen or you're paid less than what you deserve. For example in the Amex case, you are given the lowest rate just because they hide their commissions strcuture behind a 5/6 digit code.

This shows how TD will solve any issue with affiliates who try to get a valid questions answered.

It seems that you guys condone the act of cheating, stealing and lies by a network provider. I hope you would still say the same thing if you are treated the same way.

Good luck to you guys. Hope your commissions won't be stealed by this TD crooks.

Hello everyone!

It has nothing to do with me getting rejected for a program run by TD.

This is about a network provider you can trust, honest with integrity.

This is the message I am trying to brought forward for your attention. Forget about me getting rejected.

Let's talk about the integrity of the network provider. Do you condone such a behaviour of cheating elements and dubious acts found in a network provider?

Do you want to work with such people?

Ask yourself, the choice is yours.

[pricethat]

Getting dangerously close to troll territory now guys.......