IVA Leads are now £100 per lead - Quota 25 per day.

[123debtsolutions]

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Hi All

IVA payout is going up... Yes it is... We have Adam to thank for this one.... He has been working hard to secure new merchants to purchase an unlimited quota of good solid IVA leads.

Yes the rules have got a bit stricter but let's face it the rewards are great

Here goes .....

IVA Leads (From £20k) - Requirements are as follows :

• Debt Levels : £20,000 - £200,000
• Minimum 3 Separate Creditors
• Minimum Disposable Income of £225
• Must be in Employment
• Age between 18 - 55
• Equity must be less than total unsecured debts.
• Must be a resident of England, Wales or N.Ireland Only

This new program is in addition to our £90 IVA lead program and this merchant has set a quota of 25 per day maximum. (Even with my PPC I can't reach this number, lol)

The program begins on Monday morning and remember all leads must be generated using our auto-feed or CC us on your existing formmail.

Payout is every 7 days and No weekends off.

Good luck all

[Michael_Anthony]

Lee - if you guys are so brilliant, what happened to your "amazing" Secured Loan deals, all of which seem to have lasted less than one month?? I wonder if the "amazing" remortgage deal will do the same way? (Actually, I don't wonder, I KNOW).

Time to update your signature too mate, as it is now a lie.

By the way, we can still pay over £100/lead for Secured Loans, and now have unlimited 24/7/365 quotas on many programs.

[Adam-123DS]

Bringing attention back to the information in the post, Lee has neglected to mention that this new offering does not include the two-part additional payment. If you do not wish to include the new fields in order to upgrade to the new payment structure, you obviously run the risk of your IVA leads being automatically downgraded to SL/RM/DM if the assessor deems the equity to be more than the debt level.

If you do include the fields, you will be aware from the outset if the equity situation is in your favour or not. The main reason why we are proposing this offer is to attempt to teach and entice the highest quality introducers into providing the best possible GENUINE IVA leads. We understand how difficult it is to generate good leads, and that this will not make your life any easier, however, we want to improve the quality from the introducer to the merchant, and we are sure that the higher payout will justify the inconvenience.

For existing introducers, please see the introducer update as of Feb 1st on the home page of your control panel.

Regarding your comments Michael, I have wasted far too much time on this, so I will leave it to Lee.

[angiet]

Adam & Lee,

I do not want to appear negative, but you seem to be flopping about with this IVA/TD product. You are constantly changing the products value, £90 Plus then £250, then even £600.

As a master affiliate I provide IVA/TD and DM leads DIRECTLY to IP's. Your sales pitch is inconsistent and the weekly changes are a massive turn off. If you look at AMS at least there is consistency across the board.

As for your new loan/mortgage offerings and deals they last for a week then.......... fizzle........ out......flat !

As previously stated IVA and Trust Deed affiliates should GO DIRECTLY to the Insolvency Firms and cut out the 123DS middlemen, there are hundreds out there who will gladly pay £200 plus a back end.

Why expend your PPC costs for a reduced return, when with a little more effort you can reap the full rewards.

Angiet.
TeakTalk.

[Michael_Anthony]

Well said, angiet, I couldn't agree more, which is one the reasons we never supply "middle men" such as networks, agencies or packagers.

For every additional step between the affiliate and the lender/IP you are just reducing the margin available to the affiliate - I accept that to an extent we are guilty of this ourselves but can at least argue that we provide affiliate and merchant education and support, and for most merchants we deal with they could never achieve the volumes we supply from a single affiliate, no matter how productive.

And Adam from 123, as far as I can see Lee hasn't adressed my comments at all, simply ignored them??

[123debtsolutions]

Firstly, when did we ever say "we were so brilliant"... We would never be so presumptuous as to believe we were the best. That is something I will leave to you.

It sounds to me like you're a little bitter. You had youre chance before xmas to secure one of the most lucrative deals for AMS and its affiliates and due to your reluctance to cross the T's and dot the I's a deal could not be completed.

For your information our secured loan program is on hold whilst our merchants decide on the best course of action. Both myself and my team have worked damn hard this past week to close a deal with two of the largest secured loan merchants in the industry. The deal is now confirmed and our programs will be opened again early next week.
Im sure you're aware how difficult it is to close a sustainable arrangement and having now met face-to-face with the relevant companies I can now report that these programs will be re-launched with a better payout and with a clearer understanding of what is required by both the merchant and the introducer.

FYI : I have also secured 2 x new IVA companies and 3 x debt management companies to handle the quantities of leads we are now generating.
I am also scheduled to meet with 3 new potential merchants in the next 2 weeks.

Lots to come from 123 and as I surprised you a year ago I will continue to surprise you throughout 08.....

As I have told you before, I live to work and don't work to live.....

Personally I don't think you should be having a pop at me when all the while you have your own problems to deal with.
What with your headmasters such as Dave (Wahideas) jumping ship I think you have your own worries.
Not to mention your secured loan quotas dropping to an all time low... Ohh and having to suspend your own IVA program can only ever benefit 123... Thanks x

PS.. I have updated my signature.. Thanks.

PPS.. Angeit....I will not even dignify you with a response after your disgusting and disgraceful comments.. I will be quite happy to see you banned from this forum and if you ever wish to speak to me or have anything to do with me then I suggest you get a solicitor.
PPS.. Angiet is full of s**t and has no proof or anything to backup any of the wild suggestions as to what she receives or even does in the affiliate world. <<< NOT TO BE TRUSTED!

[Adam-123DS]

Adam & Lee,

As previously stated IVA and Trust Deed affiliates should GO DIRECTLY to the Insolvency Firms and cut out the 123DS middlemen, there are hundreds out there who will gladly pay £200 plus a back end.

Angiet.
TeakTalk.

And they all love Indian hot key leads, duplicates, Non-UK residents, dead people, under 18s, over 70s, and those without any debt. For each lead that you submit you also get a free pen with the IP's name on it.

[Michael_Anthony]

"secured loan quotas dropping to an all time low"

Lee, they are currently unlimited 24/7/365 - keep up mate.

And are you the same man who was until recently adding "no quotas and no weekends off" to his posts??

It appears that your selling proposition to affiliates changes by the week, as does your signature. Perhaps it's time for a little more work and a little less talk?

[angiet]

Dear Adam & Lee,

Firstly if you state......"I will not even dignify you with a response" then why are you responding ?

Secondly, my comments are accurate, clearly accurate facts hurt. I comment on the forum with my experience, so that other affiliates can learn as I learn each week from factual posts. I hate the idea of affiliates being ripped off and so when I see BS printed I comment.

Thirdly,I have not lowered myself to childish castigations such as your own comments.

With regard to proof, why would I need to. It might be hard for you both to understand that there are actually affiliates out there who do get it right day in day out. Who deal with providers that have contracted directly with over 300 IP & DM practices and who had them signed them up before 123DS started trading.

I have an excellent working relationship with a number of Merchant linked affiliate providers. One in partcular I supply IVA / TD / DM leads to. I know that all my quality leads go straight to IP/DM linked direct Merchants that I approve of and that the No Middleman Fee policy is adopted in that I get a pre-agreed top earning payment for my efforts.

I also get non related leads that hit my sites returned to me via their automated forms At No Cost and have the option of opting in or out of their 20 product range offers at the touch of a button all via the same system.... "How do you like them apples" !

Hell, only last month I recieved an additional incentive of a new FREE Laptop from the company for providing my leads.

With these proven operators who I may add are VASTLY superior at providing Multi Product Platforms for DM and related products than 123DS ever could be, yet they work in the background without spouting off this or that on any forums and have a large following among an elite number of affiliate operators.

They treat their affiliates very well, pay on time ,offer great incentives and operate what many collegue affiliates consider as state of the art facilities within their management systems, that 123DS could only dream of.

In comparison 123DS looks almost pedestrian. You just do not have the budget or manpower or current resources to match such services. So Affiliates on this forum do have a choice, that choice created through the voices of other affiliates like myself on this forum.

So the next time you focus on criticism, try to remember that there are businesses out there that are quietly providing a great service to AFFILIATES that are willing to look around before they get hitched to a provider.

My advice to All Affiliates.....For All Financial Products....... take your time, shop around test the market and go for only the best providers.

Angiet
TeakTalk.

[123debtsolutions]

Hi Michael

Sorry for getting AMS quotas wrong.. They seem to change so often at the moment it's difficult to keep up..
As long as you keep saying NO to IVA leads im happy...

Re : No quotas this is still the case but the problem I am having is with the quantity of leads going through my system.. You know what it's like and I (Like you) are goverened by merchant requirements/staffing levels, etc... I have since brought in more merchants to handle the quantities.
I don't really think you should be worrying about me and my offerings... Unless you feel you have something to worry about?
I would welcome a phone call from you if you wish to discuss it.. You know my door is always open and I am happy to talk to you whenever you feel ready.

As for more work and less talk - I can't physically do anymore work, you know me? I work 8am-3am almost 7 days a week.. If I do anymore i'll be dead by christmas...

Don't think we need to tittle tattle on the forum, if you have a problem with 123 come out and say it, or get in touch and we can talk.


Angeit..... Go and tell someone who cares......!!!

[angiet]

Thanks Lee.

Now that is more like it, at last a one line responce, in direct proportion to your summated knowledge on affiliate marketing and in particular the IVA/TD/DM sector.

I am sure I read somewhere on this forum that the definition of insanity was to .......
............." keep doing the same thing but to expect a different result " now the 123DS mantra.

Why dont you leave well alone and allow affiliates to express there views without negative inuendo... even if you dont agree.

This is after all a Free To Comment and express forum.

Angiet
TeakTalk.

[angrycat]

Dear Adam & Lee,
With these proven operators who I may add are VASTLY superior at providing Multi Product Platforms for DM and related products than 123DS ever could be, yet they work in the background without spouting off this or that on any forums and have a large following among an elite number of affiliate operators.....

My advice to All Affiliates.....For All Financial Products....... take your time, shop around test the market and go for only the best providers.

Hi Angiet,

Would you mind providing links for these operators?

I have to say I find your post frustrating in that it reads like a pitch for a dodgy US ebook... "Debt Affiliate Secrets"...

I fail to understand why anyone running such a program would want to 'operate in the background' when there are so few slots (paid and SERP) on the front page of our favorite search engine.

Surely a good affiliate program manager would want to fill as many of those slots with their own affiliates as possible?

Regards, J

[Peter1_G]

[QUOTE=angrycat;372056]Hi Angiet,

Would you mind providing links for these operators?

I think you will find those links on steve333 new post, Angiet & steve333 are back should be interesting, if you don't mind the spelling mistakes.

take cover lee.....run for the hills...lol

[angrycat]

Thanks Peter, will have a read

[Michael_Anthony]

Earn a whopping £85 per Secured Loan Lead, no, make that £95. Or £45 if the loan amount is £25k, and £10 if it's £5k...

Our website is 123DebtSolutions.co.u..... no, 123ds.co..... errr

Lee, slow down mate. It now looks like you've been so busy that you've confused yourself.

And if you have no spare time, stop posting on here all the time. This place is for the more relaxed people with nothing better to do, like me