How come this site be not indexed in Google???

**freetraff** · 21-07-06

I saw this question on one forum. The guy was helping a company and asked a question.

The problem is really strange.

How come this site: www.savvy.com

I quote his words but the problem is really strange "TON of very high PR incoming links" plus "the site gets 50,000 + visitors a day" and "4 PR updates" passed by. PR 0

Any ideas?

**drivetowin** · 21-07-06

It is indexed by Google - if you search for savvy it appears in the no1 spot - out of 99,200,000 results.

**purple** · 22-07-06

was the original post spam? if you load that site up google toolbar shows it was cached on 14th July 2006

**freetraff** · 22-07-06

Sorry, my mistake cause site has tons of backlinks and I was checking them. Surely site is indexed (my mistake of mind when was writing that)

Problem is that site has NO Google PR?!!

I explained it by the bottom, but was thinking about another problem when wrote it.

Still, the problem is that same four PR updates came and site still has PR 0? Funny, isn't it? With so many pages from the site indexed, with so many backlinks (and I must say much of them are ok), being a real media resource (not a dummy adsense site) - it has PR 0.

Any ideas why?

**hawkwind dave** · 25-07-06

I wouldn't worry about it, pr is an over discussed out of date gimmick

. Yeah, it's nice when (if) it increases, like getting a gold star of your teacher for being good

, but it won't help, hinder or affect your ranking one jot.

worry about ranking, not pr.

**pricethat** · 25-07-06

Knowing savvy as i do i really really really dont think they are that bothered about it

**freetraff** · 25-07-06

Originally Posted by hawkwind dave

I wouldn't worry about it, pr is an over discussed out of date gimmick

. Yeah, it's nice when (if) it increases, like getting a gold star of your teacher for being good

, but it won't help, hinder or affect your ranking one jot.

worry about ranking, not pr.

I know that PR has no relation to SERP or real traffic, and on this and other forum I smash the brain out of the people who are hypnotized by PR. But it's a matter of interest.

Google say PR has logics. Where is the logics?? If Google lacks logics in one point, how can I be sure they will not mess up with other things?!

And if we don't trust Google, then what are all the dudes doing on forums that whine about *duplicate content* or *your site is overoptimized and Google hates it* etc?

Knowing savvy as i do i really really really dont think they are that bothered about it

Yes, i saw their ranks. But a guy on sitepoint forum said they asked him for seo help for the site which means they are caring about SEO and PR now (funny).

**pricethat** · 25-07-06

Im sure most of your posts are just to promote your signature freetraff, are you on an eternal quest to find your lucky break or the holy grail of marketing insider techniques?

**freetraff** · 25-07-06

I don't make sales from this forum, it is more of an affiliate focus. Sales are made from good JVs or targeted traffic. Sigs for my tools come fine on special forums (webmasters, SEO, Internet marketing).

Still, with this question I see that people tend to change the topic, than answer. And I want to find a person who can say why this happened with savvy. When I know the answer - I'll know what was wrong with Google's brain, and knowing what is wrong with it is very interesting. Seems like here it's a lost hope too

**moredial** · 25-07-06

Originally Posted by freetraff

Still, with this question I see that people tend to change the topic, than answer. And I want to find a person who can say why this happened with savvy. When I know the answer - I'll know what was wrong with Google's brain, and knowing what is wrong with it is very interesting. Seems like here it's a lost hope too

The why it has a PR0 is the easy part to answer.

The 'how it got to have a PR0' is the difficult part.

As I do this sort of thing for a living, and it can take me days, weeks or months to discover the answer I have to ask you what sort of budget you can offer me to give you the answer.

PM me if you are interested.

Nothing is wrong with Google's brain. Google lays down the very simple rules and this site shows that some bits of the algorithm are working very well, thank you.

If this were my client I would tell them that they are looking at 3 or more years before the site recovers and fixing it hardly seems worth the effort. Far more good would come out of starting afresh without repeating all the 'penalties' that got the site into this state.
And, I would claim damages off whoever wrote the site for them. Basically, from the 15 minute look I have had, this site has done everything possible to get itself where it is. Someone was thinking that they were clever without having the knowledge of where they were putting the site. I see that their other site has suffered the same fate. I am assuming that there is another site somewhere that I have yet to find which is the cause of all this. Another 15 minutes and I am starting to find many other sites all owned by the same group which are the cause of all this.

At the end of the day, I think that a site which claims their daily number of visitors doesn't need Google or their PR. They are probably earning a small fortune off displaying googleads everywhere, so everyone is happy.

**freetraff** · 26-07-06

Gosh, I am tired to say I have no relation to this site. So I can't say anything about the budget.

But if you remain strong in knowing what exactly is wrong, this can be of big help to the person who shared this problem with sitepoint community. I am contacting him and he will send you PM shortly (he has to register on this forum first).

Thanks for the helpful approch, moredial. Need to find my affiliate link to bring him here.

**John Jupp** · 30-07-06

Ooh take a look at all the hidden links. No wonder Google marks it down.

Page rank is a guide that some swear by but as has been said, bears no relation to serps.

Most of my sites are PR2...rubbish but then they are rubbish lol

Yet they bear no relation to traffic or serps. I'm still getting some very good rankings in the serps for certain keywords and phrases and they convert nicely and organically.

**freetraff** · 30-07-06

John, I know about the *value* of PR and that it has no relation to SERPs, plus savvy's SERP is nice.

But the person who was asking for help could not pack it into one picture why no PR. Now he is gathering more help and I sent him track to this thread, so he should register on the forum shortly.

But the funniest thing here is not the PR. If there are so many hidden links, why it affects PR and SERP (which is actually more significant) is not affected?