Something better than leadbay?

[hasen6]

I have a website with leads generated from natural search and I mainly use leadbay because their 3 step form converts better than any other form I've used. The problem is they pay so low I would probably get more from an adsense block! I've approached other lead collectors (if thats the term to describe them) but the forms they have don't convert very well because they don't look professional and are too long. I get 30 - 50 leads per day from the one website, all from natural search engine rankings but I'm sure I should be earning more money than this.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks.

[anshul123]

try leadpoint then.. not better but atleast an alternate, or else try and catch up anthony on the forums.. he is the lead generation champ for Affiliate marketing scool.. he pays well for quality stuff

[hasen6]

Thanks for your reply. Leadpoint are worse I think. Their forms have really general CSS tags that totally mess up your site if you try to integrate them. Plus I've heard they pay very bad so its probably gonna be the same story with them even if I did get them working. I've spoken to Michael at Affiliate Marketing School too but his forms are iFrame that look really bad and are really long. Certainly wouldn't convert well for me. The Leadbay 3 step form is great (although they're phasing it out for a 1 step form!) and another form I think would be great and convert well is the form on allaboutloans.co.uk

I wouldn't know how to make that though or how to get it set up to supply leads to someone.

[Michael_Anthony]

Not wishing to diss Leadbay, but the reason that they pay less is that their form is short and collects leads of lower quality. It converts better for affiliates but not so well for their merchants, which is reflected in the level of payout.

You can't have it both ways - either you put up with a longer form, lower volume, but higher payouts, or you stick with what you've got.

FYI, we do also offer SOAP integration so that you can design your own form if you don't like our I-Frames, and a few of our DM and Secured Loan programs also offer a manual submission option at a lower payout.

[hasen6]

You may be right, but to be honest, compared with most forms its not THAT short. The power of it is that its split into 3 steps and it looks professional. The 3 step part is very powerful because anyone is put off when they see somewhere they need to input their name and address. With the 3 step form, this is hidden at first and so it looks like they can just input how much they want to borrow and get an answer. People actually "enjoy" inputting these kinds of details and so by the time they get to the third step (the dreaded personal details) they're more likely to actually go ahead and finish it off since they've already filled in 2/3 of the form.

People won't just fill in any old form with their personal details. It has to look very professional because that equates to trust in the eyes of our users.

[Debt33]

Depending on how involved you want you get your leads can be worth much more, what type of leads are you creating? At the end of the day all leadbay do is broker your leads, if you have contacts direct in the finance industry your leads become worth much more. We also run a SEO website which creates leads and deal direct with fee chargers (For unsecured), loan brokers, DM companies however our core business is PPI if you would like some advice please let me know.

[hasen6]

Mainly I generate unsecured personal loan leads. I'd certainly welcome some advice from anyone. Basically I'm an SEO man and I thought I'd target the finance industry since its supposed to be the most lucrative. But other than SEO I don't know anything, all I did was got the site to rank for the terms.

[DROBNJAK]

forgive me for a noob's question, but why do not you hire somebody to make you a form the way you want? there are tons of designers & programmers all around.

[hasen6]

Its not the HTML form itself that's so much the problem, after all I could probably just use the leadbay form and modify it. The problem is setting it up to send data in the correct format to whoever and determining who that 'whoever' should in fact be.

[DROBNJAK]

ok, that is just server side programming, which is adding data either to local or remote database. If you want drop me a PM or email: dejan.corovic at btinternet.com.

[anshul123]

you can trust Anthony with payments.. he is a gentleman

[Andy R]

Hi There,

I'd just like to say that with mortgages we are maintaining a three step form so that our affiliate partners have this option still, but due to more fundamental changes to loans, we do now support just a one step form, however we did comprehensively test the effectiveness of this before launch.

Payout for leads has been impacted - no doubt for most people in the industry and particularly the finance sector - due to the tough market conditions being faced. What can be done to combat this? Well, one way is to keep lead quality as high as possible. The better the quality, the more the buyers will pay for them. For the end purchaser, a big factor is how many leads they can convert to business and if they are achieving good numbers they will be prepared to pay more for the leads. Higher prices mean higher payouts to affiliates and success for lead aggregators like Leadbay is where all elements of the supply/demand chain are achieving their financial goals. Thoughts and ideas on achieving this are always welcome!

Andy

[hasen6]

Thanks for contributing to the thread, Andy. Its a terrible shame you won't continue to support the 3 step form for loans since that is what separates you from the rest. You should be more open minded and support both.

Anyway, regarding keeping lead quality high....there's not much that goes into the process for me really. Someone searches for 'bad credit loans' in google..they come to my site and see whichever leadbay form and either fill it in or don't.

[Andy R]

I hope you mean 'thread' rather than 'threat', we're here to help our partners not harm them!
We had to change the 3 stage form on loans as we substantially clarified the categorisation at the same time. At the current time, we can't unfortunately support a 3 stage form but I can keep it on our review agenda - we have a continous forms review panel here as form effectiveness is of course paramount - so that such feedback as yours can be kept in sight and acted upon when priorities and time allow.
I know that isn't a perfect answer for you but I will keep your comments in mind.

[hasen6]

I hope you mean 'thread' rather than 'threat', we're here to help our partners not harm them!
We had to change the 3 stage form on loans as we substantially clarified the categorisation at the same time. At the current time, we can't unfortunately support a 3 stage form but I can keep it on our review agenda - we have a continous forms review panel here as form effectiveness is of course paramount - so that such feedback as yours can be kept in sight and acted upon when priorities and time allow.
I know that isn't a perfect answer for you but I will keep your comments in mind.

Yes of course, that's understandable. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one.