SEO experts - yeah!

**Bud** · 28-07-11

There's loads of nonsense regurgitated by numerous 'SEO experts' (usually pretty suspect ones) about the need to resubmit your website to the big search engines every month or similar.

Whilst I'm convinced this is utter nonsense can anyone point me in the direction of an authoritative source that say this isn't necessary? I simply can't find anything to disprove the idea!

Thanks

**nick-harper** · 28-07-11

I am not too sure about that, I have never submitted a site to Google and they rank ok and get indexed within a day!

**MollyHunter** · 28-07-11

Search engines find sites by following links, so long as your site has plenty of links pointing at it then the spiders will keep coming back to your site. Nothing to be gained by submitting your site every month, just get plenty of links to your site.

I'd be surprised if the major search engines still use their submit site forms to find new sites or reindex sites because somebody had submitted it again, very doubtful.

By looking to disprove the theory I think your looking at it from the wrong angle, what is to be gained by submitting every month?

**Bud** · 28-07-11

Thanks Molly. The 'what is to be gained' issue is pretty much the crux of the question. If resubmitting is beneficial then everything is to be gained, but I really don't believe this is the case. However, I can't find any reliable source that says 'once is enough' (my belief).

Why do the 'SEO experts' (sic) keep touting the line of 'we will submit your site every month'?

Does this serve any purpose and if so, says who?

**MollyHunter** · 28-07-11

If your site is already indexed then nothing is to be gained. The submit your site is an alert to tell the search engines your site exists, not a nudge to them saying move me up the rankings :P

**Bud** · 28-07-11

I absolutley agree Molly, but I like to work with definitive statements in black and white (or #000000 & #FFFFFF if you like!) from Google, Bing or whoever that says "once your site has been listed there is no need to resubmit" (or something along that lines). It seems suprisingly hard to find this statement anywhere. In the meantime a multitude of 'SEO experts' claim to 'resubmit monthly to all the major search engines' and charge for this pointless task! Can we not disprove this once and for all with a valid statement from an authority?

**Bud** · 28-07-11

Think I've found more or less what I'm looking for:

"Google updates its index on a regular basis, so updated or outdated link submissions are not necessary"

Source: Add your URL to Google

**apg1985** · 28-07-11

The only reason why I can see any point in resubmitting, is an attempt to bring search engines back for a re-index, maybe if you got new content or something but link building will do this for you anyway.

I don't re-submit, I do a once off and then add a sitemap and that's me done.

What I will say is if you submit your url to google manually and that url goes into a list which the google bot systematically goes through and crawls then you might find your website gets crawled quicker then waiting for it to come back.

But like I said link building will do this anyway.

**atasnip** · 28-07-11

Meh, most SEO agencies/"experts" as just money making initiatives... most are not to be trust, some are genuine authorities in the field...

I will add that I consider myself a bit of an SEO guy (Been in the digital field for about 10 years) and I would say that if you want to monitor and manage your google listing in a better way yourself... set up an Google account and set up Webmaster Tools and submit an XML (Google compliant) sitemap through the tool... this will enable you to see some interesting data and it has realtime listing analysis for what google has indexed in relation to your domains.

**Bud** · 28-07-11

Thanks.

It's not so much that I wish to manage campaigns myself, as I already do this quite happily using G's Webmaster Tools.

My problem comes in trying to point out to my website clients that SEO companies they see claiming to do this service are just taking them for a ride! I understand a fair bit about SEO but don't claim this as a service, so understandably some wish to hire their own SEO agancy but then ask for my advice. That's fine, I'm happy to help out and I learn a few things along the way, but when reviewing an agency's proposal, it simply sounds like 'hearsay' for me to state "that's rubbish"!

I'm simply having a very hard job finding something to back up this point of view - although I think Google's snippet above should suffice for my purposes.

... unless anyone knows of anything better??

Cheers

**S10** · 31-07-11

Sounds like another BS web developer 'trick'. In fact, most SEO companies I've been looking at (as competition) offer such lame services that it's unbelievable. I lost out on a large job to someone under-cutting me but when I see their services list on their site, it's full of one-off things that they charge £50 for each every month ie. install WordPress, robot.txt file etc. Insane doesn't even cut it.

It reminds me of someone recently who had a go at me for a proven link building structure I'd set up, yet he chases keywords with 50 hits a month, which he was at #17 in the SERPs. Amazing.

**findlite** · 01-08-11

Originally Posted by Bud

I absolutley agree Molly, but I like to work with definitive statements in black and white?

HTML Code:

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<h1><font color="white">Submitting your site to Google every month does not help. Actually submitting it too much could very well have the opposite effect.</font></h2>

or if you prefer...

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echo '<font color="black">'Submitting your site to Google every month does not help. Actually submitting it too much could very well have the opposite effect.'</font>';

HTML Code:

echo '<font color="white">'Submitting your site to Google every month does not help. Actually submitting it too much could very well have the opposite effect.'</font>';

or of course

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Submitting your site to Google every month does not help. Actually submitting it too much could very well have the opposite effect

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Submitting your site to Google every month does not help. Actually submitting it too much could very well have the opposite effect

Always happy to help!

**findlite** · 01-08-11

Originally Posted by Bud

My problem comes in trying to point out to my website clients that SEO companies they see claiming to do this service are just taking them for a ride!

That's about right, the interweb is full of crooks who have absolutely no idea!

Originally Posted by Bud

I understand a fair bit about SEO but don't claim this as a service, so understandably some wish to hire their own SEO agency but then ask for my advice.

Probably because you speak more sense than they do!

Originally Posted by Bud

That's fine, I'm happy to help out and I learn a few things along the way, but when reviewing an agency's proposal, it simply sounds like 'hearsay' for me to state "that's rubbish"! I'm simply having a very hard job finding something to back up this point of view - although I think Google's snippet above should suffice for my purposes.

There are plenty of choice quotes like that on Matt Cutts Blog I don't agree with everything he says and the Google PR way its said in but he is on the web spam team at Google so...[/QUOTE]

**S10** · 06-08-11

Yes, Rank Tracker is one of the best tools IMO.

**tonmoy** · 11-08-11

I don't re-submit, I do a once off and then add a sitemap and that's me done.I like to work with definitive statements in black and white (or #000000 & #FFFFFF if you like!) from Google, Bing or whoever that says "once your site has been listed there is no need to resubmit" (or something along that lines)