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  Jamster - when will i get paid?

This is the very first time ive asked and am now getting a bit desperate :-)

I started the Jamster affiliate scheme on 20th March 05

TD say the next payment date is 16th May 05

There is nothing at all showing in my next payment box??

Usually i would be more patiant but ive spent the last 2 months constantly paying out for google ads, ive maxed out three credit cards, and every penny i had in the bank.... if i dont get paid very soon i cannot clear the credit cards and therefore cannot payfor advertising which results in no more sales for Jamster :-(

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If you made approved Jamster sales between 20th March and 31st March then these should be being paid in the next payment - I think - certainly I've just looked and the amount for Jamster included in my TD payment this month is exactly equal to my commission on Jamster sales for the period 1st March - 31st March.

If however you didnt actually have any sales approved until April then you wont get paid for those until June.

Either way I reckon you're only going to get paid at best for your first 12 days of sales which I guess isn't going to make much of a dent in two months + of ppc bills.
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You should be able to work it out by looking at your month revenue and then compare it on the breakdown. It's currently anything from two to three months. Wheras on Zanox you get paid 12 days after the current month for 1 to 14 days of the current month and 15 to 31 days of the previous month, I'd realised that earlier but couldn't be bothered to change links, I should have moved to Zanox straight away when pendings came along. I changed all the bleeding links back again yesterday because TD white label was the only thing 'sort of' working.

A rough guide to what payment looks like on mine
http://www.a4uforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30391&page=2

- I currently have all of May in pending, which is right because is it's only the 14th. Who knows where that will end up.
- A portion of April is still in pending which means I won't get that bit until July.
- Another bit of April is under not yet invoiced, so that will move up at the end of May and will be paid in July.
- Half of April is sitting in under consideration, where all of April should be. So that will get paid in June.
- A bit of March is still under consideration, but should really have been invoiced and paid in May.
- I believe the remainder of March has dropped and is stored for payment on the 19th which is the two month lag working properly before all this hoo haa.

Of course if the above is wrong, all TD have to do is change the system to prepayment or back to two months.
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Well, either way it doesnt look good... ill either get paid bugger all or for 12 days :-((((... even if i get paid the 12 days im not going to afford to keep the ads running for much longer.... why do things never work out to plan.

At the moment there is nothing in the to be paid box, and the rest are either pending, not yet paid by merchant and not invoiced to merchant.... doesnt look very promising.

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My March sales were approved between 5th April - 18th April.

Does the above mean i wont get paid until June, and even when i get paid in June i will only get the March's 12 days payment?
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Matt would know for absolute definate as would TD so suggest you ask them.

Jamster and TD had a meeting last week about their accounts but so far I've heard nothing. I might be wrong in the way I described my idea of how it works because it is a jumble. But because of the 14 day lag on confirming pendings which are already confirmed, you can get paid in a later month unless Jamster move the fallen pendings into invoice before the pay date, meaning you'll still make the two month lag.

If you look at account balance breakdown and open up all the columns, there should be four, then this is the pay date, providing Jamster don't go prepayment this month - hope they do. The following is judged as this month being May and only on the Jamster program. Although the cycle begins at four, it's more straightforward to start from number one and the bottom.

4. Transactions in pending status - Where it all begins. These appear to be on a 14 day lag, these drop as each day goes by, which is why unless Jamster move up a payment, you will get half a month, three months later. Once pending amounts end up in the 'Transactions not yet invoiced to merchants' columns.

3. In payment period, but unpaid by merchant - Already invoiced, awaiting payment, date next to it normally means invoice settlement date or that's how it works out. Jamster invoice due around 18th April for half of March revenue paid in May, Jamster invoice 20th May for half of March and half of April revenue, paid June. At the end of the month May's will go up, invoice date of June, paid July, see below for evolution of Jamster creature.

2. Transactions not yet invoiced to merchants - moved up to invoiced (unpaid) on the last day of May, given an invoice date a few days after June payment, should be paid in July. This is where it all ended up wrong.

1. Transactions to be paid in next payment - paid in May for definate.

However, if you want to be paid quicker - note I'm still waiting for February's payment, due Tuesday hopefully. Go with Zanox, 15th April to 14th May should be cleared and ready for 1st June payment, paid around 13th June. This is where I went wrong. Although saying that, the above is true for most non UK Jamster/Jamba programs, this is my first month with Jamster UK on Zanox.

As for affilinet and CJ, I'm not even going to embark on that voyage. Jamster's main priority, after raising it back in December with them, would be to integrate all Jamster country programs with the networks so there's no leakage. This is what they aim to do with Jamster white label by the end of the year.

Preferably go prepayment, so May gets paid in June automatically. Unless I misunderstand what prepayment is. And sort out CSV and XML feeds for when I start up my ringtone site. They've done marvellous though, getting the content units up, absolutely superb graphics and unique flash ads and good support.

I like Jamster it's such a lucrative program but there's just been a few bumps of late. Soz for the outburst the other day Matt, no snout. You're definately one of the best AMs out there that I've worked with this year, and like JJ and Chris last year, could be in the running for some AM of the year/month award.

I went wrong in December, left Crazy Frog and his mates to his own devices and income went down, no matter what I did, I couldn't match what the likes of others were taking, the 20,000 a month brigade. Hopefully I can turn that around.

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Ah here we go, they've added a new bit to the program page:

"This is a prepayment program. Meaning that the merchant has deposited a certain amount with TradeDoubler. The program will only remain active, as long as there are funds to cover the transactions generated. Time to auto accept: 17 days."

So hopefully they're trialing prepayment and will reduce the period in the near future, 'cause at the moment prepayment means delayed payment.
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I went wrong in December, left Crazy Frog and his mates to his own devices and income went down, no matter what I did, I couldn't match what the likes of others were taking, the 20,000 a month brigade. Hopefully I can turn that around.

Are ringtones really this lucrative for the big boys?
I've been playing with ringtones for a couple of months, got some prety good
google positions, but not really bothered doing much more.
My pages are absolutely crap, some of them are just coming soon pages as I
didn't realise it was worth spending any time on.
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Are ringtones really this lucrative for the big boys?
I've been playing with ringtones for a couple of months, got some prety good
google positions, but not really bothered doing much more.
My pages are absolutely crap, some of them are just coming soon pages as I
didn't realise it was worth spending any time on.
Big boys? hello sailor... :eek: Joking.

I think it falls into two categories, put it this way, if instead of spending the money I earned in December and January, I didn't go out for three months and became a hermit, I'd have enough money to now compete with those affiliates that have the funds for PPC campaigns, but because the time difference between earning and being paid is so vast, I haven't got even a glimmer of hope of joining them on decent PPC unless I have an exceptional month, which I forecast by the end of the year.

So with PPC, churning out adwords on the popular characters backed up by TV advertising should see you turn in a good days work. Now I could get an increased credit limit, but nah thanks, I've been in debt before. And with Gordon Brown in charge of the economy, I'd rather not have to worry when the recession comes.

So then that leaves natural search, those affiliates with already built community sites with tens of thousands of users are going to big players, like they always are, but whilst selling to their own traffic, they'll also create their own natural searches via new product pages. So you're competing with these lot as well as those PPC and others across the medium that buy domains to specifically eek their way to the top of engines and stay there via good SEO and healthy linkage.

It all depends where you fit in and what you're prepared to do, me I got upset at buying a £6 domain the other month, only for the product to change, a few weeks sulking thinking 'bugger this' and I'm back. I do the SEO route, though I'm not particular great at it but I'm learning still, always learning.

So yes, in answer to your original question, Jamster, like even the most mundane program like selling pills, can be lucrative. It's the kind of program that makes the small players, bigger players and the big players end up with a bonus. Although it's not for everyone, for the last two months it aint really been for me, but that might be because I'm lazy and there's only so much you can do with one topic sites, who knows...

I'm upset that the days I finally seem to get more sales, after changing links to zanox and white label, possibly combined with better SEO, Jamster goes to pot and I end up with compensation for three days instead which may or may not reflect real earnings. But that's life aint it, hopefully Jamster will go out buy and add another few servers tomorrow.
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And one thing I forgot to add about the Ringtone industry and especially Jamster who are leaders in product advertising at present is (took me 10 minutes to find it) the following, which shows even a small player can grab a piece of the pie, whether a few hundred or a few thousand.

28/04/05 ripped out from The Sun I think.

£655 Million Boom In Ring Tones

Britons downloaded a staggering £655 million worth of songs, ring tones and games last year. The entertainment craze has exploded thanks to the rapid march of technology, according to research published yesterday. Music fans can now get hold of the latest songs or games on their computer or mobile phone at the click of a button.

Around half of those questioned in a survey classed themselves as regular downloaders. The most popular area is musical ringtones for mobile phones, the survey by churchill home insurance found. Almost four in ten people had bought at least one ringtone, which can cost as much as £3.00 each.

Churchill calculates that Britons downloaded £317 million worth of tunes last year. Song downloads have have also enjoyed phenomenal success thanks to the arrival of such websites as napster. Fans can instantly get a hold of the latet singles for less than 80p. According to the research, we bought more than £60 million worth of music downloads last year.

The success of both ringtones and track downloads has resulted in the industry producing weekly charts for each. Churchill's research based on a survey of 1000 people, revealed that Britons spent £105 million on screensavers for computers or mile phones last year, around £83 million on games and £16 million on movie clips. The growth of broadband technology, which allows faster connection to the internet, has helped to drive the boom.
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