More dashes than morse code

[Mark Norville]

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Knew all this junk mail would come in handy, not sure if this helps people.

Domain Name Dilemma: Do Dashes
or Underscores Goose
Google Rankings More?
By John Gergye

It's a fact. When it comes to Google ranking you don't have to be a lot better to beat out the competition.
So let's take another dip into the "every little bit helps" pool.

Now believe it or not there are those who like to debate the merits of using dashes or underscores in domain names.


Some assert dashes are better.

Some have an ongoing love affair with underscores.

Others are certain there is no difference.

I agree you do get a bit of a bounce in Google if you do this right. But it's only marginal.

Still let's end this debate once and for all and PROVE which is better.

To sort this out we need to conduct a study. Using the Google search results to test if Google treats dashes or underscores the same or differently.

The guinea pig search term I picked is "affordable search engine placement".

There's nothing special about it. It's more or less your run-of-the-mill multi-word search term.

So let's get searching.

First, to set a benchmark I cast the broadest net possible by doing a simple search using

affordable search engine placement

Google returned these results:

Searched the web for affordable search engine placement. Results 1 - 10 of about 78,600

That simply says there were 78,600 pages indexed by Google for ANY of those keywords.

Next I searched on the same phrase only this time I separated the words by dashes like this:

affordable-search-engine-placement

Google turned up these results:

Searched the web for affordable-search-engine-placement. Results 1 - 10 of about 1,160.

As you can see our term with dashes gave considerably fewer results than the one without.


Then I searched on the same words separated by underscores:

affordable_search_engine_placement

For this one Google didn't find much:

Searched the web for affordable_search_engine_placement. Results 1 - 4 of about 6.

Whoa! Next to no pages with underscores, right?

Finally I searched for

"affordable search engine placement"

Note the quotes. Using quotes limits the search results to one specific phrase. Just like you were doing an advanced search for that exact phrase.

In this case Google returned these results:

Searched the web for "affordable search engine placement". Results 1 - 10 of about 1,160.

Put A Google-Type Ad Box on 5 Search Engines
Your Keywords - Top 10 Placement

All for $12/URL or Less, PLUS
Sign Up Today and Receive FR-E-E Bonus Software


Huh, exactly the same number of pages as with the keyword phrase with dashes.

Okay so what do we got?

Let's see. The first search returns what you could say is a free for all of listings with any of the words in the keyword phrase. That's why there are so many search results.

SIDEBAR: Reality check time. This is how most search. In fact I saw a stat that said only 3% use the advanced search feature provided by Google. Yet the dramatically bigger number of resulting SERPS explains why it is harder to rank high sometimes. Reason being you are going up against a whole bunch more pages - some unrelated to what is being searched for. So it's takes more juice, i.e. on-page optimization, internal links and maybe even in bound links to come out on top.

Now our study also showed the phrase with underscores (which Google treats as any other CHARACTER) produced negligible results. As in next to none.

While the keyword phrase with dashes and the exact phrase search turned up the same number of listings.

At this point you should be wondering "Why is that?"

Glad you asked. Even if you didn't let me explain. Oh and since this is important engage your brain NOW.

The reason for this apparent match of search results is Google uses the dash to separate the words in the phrase. Programmers call this a "delimiter". In essence Google sees it as a space or separator between the words. Or in other words Google treats the dash as a spacer.

Yet Google does NOT treat the underscore as a delimiter. Again to Google it's just another character.

Which is proven by the search results. Had Google treated the dash and underscore alike the number of SERPs returned for

affordable_search_engine_placement
or
affordable-search-engine-placement

would be identical. But as you saw they are not. Not even close.

So the answer to the original question of which is better dashes or underscores is obvious isn't it? You want to go with dashes in your domain names, folder names, files names etc.

That's because using dashes to separate the words will give you the biggest Google impact - whatever that impact may be. Since Google can parse the different words. While using underscores won't help one iota.

Look. This isn't theory or speculation. It's fact. And you can repeat the same searches with any keyword phrase you want and you'll get the same results.

In any case let's be real. Don't expect some kind of massive boost from this dash trick. Sure it can help a tad as part of an over all optimization scheme. But whether or not you use dashes in a domain, folder or file name is not going to be what gets you top Google listings. Content and links are.

Still this study settles the debate about dashes and underscores. Giving you yet another little thing you can do to rank well.

[Mogga]

Wasn't that Trafficology from this week?
And I'm sure its a double opt in list.

[morleymouse]

lol, I thought it was todays Site Pro News.

Again opt in list.

[Mark Norville]

Not sure being honest, got so much here just going through the stuff. 209 unread emails and god knows how many read emails.

Get Alexandra, Sitepro and piles of the junk. What I find amazing is that all these companies that offer top 10 placement for X amount of pounds surely if more than 10 people take them up on the offer how they can get everyone in the top 10

[morleymouse]

there are a lot of search terms, so thats a lot of 'top tens'.

Me thinks you be needing to look after your email address(es) a bit better.

[Mark Norville]

With you now, nah most have been sign ups from one thing or another, just testing links and stuff for sign ups. Seeing how fast the schemes tracked click throughs and stuff. Think I must have had about 10 yesterday just from Inkcarts with their BOGOFF email, then loads of affiliate stuff I wanted to read when I first started.

Interesting in a sad kind of way to see how much spam is sent out daily from websites, Dr Dosh, Scratch And Match usually you have about three come through a day with special offers and crap, and when you see the companys asking for minimum of 10,000 people on a mailing list, thats a hell of a lot of mails going out a day.

Still I`m babbling

[Kandevil]

Got me all confused now, I was sure that Google read _ as a space & - as nothing, at least that's what Googleguy said?

Did I read that wrong or is this in conflict?

What to do, what to do?!

Ah well stick to _ it seems to work well enough at the moment

[Wardy]

You can see what GoogleGuy has to say here on the matter (basically "_" isn't a word seperator)

http://www.markcarey.com/googleguy-s...003_06_27.html

Cheers
Wardy

[Kandevil]

Ah so it was my memory playing tricks on me, thanks Wardy for the link.

<edit>Just checked my last two sites & they do actually use -'s

Thinking the wrong thing, doing the right thing fortunately.</edit>