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  UK2 Dedicated Linux Hosting - help!!

I normally use windows servers but have opted for a Linux one this time around.

Basically I am after the dummies guide or someone to give me a little help (please) as I can't fathom anything on it. Infact I don't even know how I would go about accessing it!

The only information I have gathered in the last hour is an acronym 'ssh' - I have no idea what it is or what it does or indeed if I even need it (cos I have downloaded SSH secure shell and installed it and I cant even get any password and username combo that I sent to uk2 or the ones they have sent me to do anything at all)

I am completely out of my league here!! HELP!

I ordered webmin with the server too - which I presume would be some kind of user friendly interface - but cant seem to access that either with any username and passwords I have given. Bum I have no idea what the hell is going on.

At the moment all the server is is a very large 'heater' in canary wharf somewhere.

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  Re: UK2 Dedicated Linux Hosting - help!!

What the hell kind of username is 'root' for gods sake.

I can tell this little venture is going to be fun.

Webmin look about as simple as stuffing a badger into a milk bottle as well. At least I know the server 'exists' now, even if I can't understand what all those buttons do. BBrrpp

I think some light bedtime reading of Redhat Linux Fedora for dummies is in call. Hope the misses is going to be ok with the long lonely nights ahead while I try to fathom this all out.

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  Re: UK2 Dedicated Linux Hosting - help!!

If it's not a stupid question, why did you plump for a Linux server if you don't know anything about Linux?

Anyway, stick with it. Going from Windows to a proper operating system is going to be a steep learning curve. Give me a shout if you get stuck. I'll be online for next hour or two anyway
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A 'proper' operating system is the phrase I have heard so much and is the reason why I got one.

I remember when I first moved to my first window dedicated server from normal hosting and the utter panic I felt with all those scary things like DNS, application servers and all the other windows jargon thingies. Now I can cobble together pretty much anything on my windows box. But who want to work with Microsoft er? From what I have heard Linux is the way forward and I want to be a part of it.

On the upside, it may slow my work up, but I hate writing content and its all I seem to be doing at the moment along with posting discounts and offers - I should be a bloody secretary (or I should get one!) Although I can see a frustrating learning curve ahead, at least my brain is getting food.

Thanks for the offer of help though, I may take you up on it mind (obviously the help is not a one way street and I will return the favour with whatever I can.)

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Hi Barry

I have been playing around with a dedicated server with WebMin on it for a client. Probably not the same set up as at UK2 and in all probability a lot more user friendly than the system I was trying to work around.

First things:

Root user - this user can do everything. Be very wary when doing anything as this user.
One good thing about this user is that it can create other users with limited privileges so you can create a user with restricted privileges so that you do not 'break' the server on your first day.

WebMin - when I was looking around Live Search I found a great WebMin manual that someone hosts on their site. It may be this one - Welcome to Webmin - don't have the time to check just now so make a search for 'webmin +manual' and you will find there are a few sites offering help.

Webmin basically creates a virtual server for every domain you host. Within the hosting info, you tell it where to put the logs (error logs and combined logs is the minimum required). Look at the path to the www for the domain and add a /www/site level above the www for the public access area and also add a /www/logs directory to the www so that you can have ftp access to your logs. Else the logs are sitting down in the depths of the server and you will never find them. If you are using php, then you can also add a /www/php for any php scripts which you want to keep out of the public area.

Somewhere there is the php.ini file and you will need to use ssh to add the /www/php to the path statement

The above covers enough for you to get a site working.

One other thing that you need to do is find the logrotate.d directory. In this directory you will find the instructions for rotating your logs files (and deleting them after 'so-many' rotations) to give you manageable logs and to prevent the server from being taken over by logs.
Have a read of logrotate in the online apache manual, look at the other files in the logrotate.d directory to give you an idea of the syntax.

ssh - this is how you turn your computer into a terminal from which you operate your server.
I use the command line - the same place you send pings etc. You can also use Putty, which I have never tried.
The login command is: ssh user@server-url [enter]
You will be asked for the password, which will not display as you type.
If you have the correct user, server domain name and password, you will be logged in. What you see varies depending on how the server is set up but you will most probably see a $ or > on the left and you can type of the right of that/those symbols.

Two commands to start you off:

ls - lists the contents of the current directory

cd - changes the current directory.

For now, if you manage to login, do the - ls - command. If that works, then it is time to start exploring your system. Type a - cd / - this changes you from the currect directory to the root directory of the server (you may have been there alread). Do another - ls - command to see what you next see.

As long as you are only doing ls and cd commands, you can't break anything, so feel safe and explore. What you are looking for is directories called usr, local, home, etc, var, sendmail, bin, lib and a file called httpd.conf - this is a very important file as it controls the http hosting area on the server. When you get used to your server, you will be using this file all the time, editing and tweaking it to get your sites working they way you want them to. This is the file where you can do all the .htaccess things and a whole lot more.
But it is far too early to let you start editing any of the configuration files.

When you have finished with playing with ssh, just type - logout - which will disconnect the ssh session from the server.

I assume you have a managed dedicated server? If so, support should be able to hold your hand for a lot of the actions and help you find many files. My host has a document section which tells me where to find a file and what line needs editing to get the server to behave in this way or that way, etc. I have never yet had to pay support to do anything for me. But I think that if I were installing some new software I would be a lot happier paying the money they ask for than trying to find the correct page in the various manuals so that I did not break the server.

Once you get into it, it really is a lot easier than you think. Most hosts have a user forum and there you will find many 'old hands' to guide you through anything you need, no matter how dumb the question. Everything I have learned is through reading the forums (and a few manuals too - but only to learn the answer to the current question)

Good luck.

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  Re: UK2 Dedicated Linux Hosting - help!!

Thanks for your post moredial, I will have to read it over a few times to get the gist of the technical stuff however your support is greatly appreciated and has calmed my nerves somewhat about the arduous task I have ahead of me.

I don't have a managed server but can and probably will be on the phone tomorrow and asking for an upgrade

I can't find any official uk2 forums, so I guess I will have to learn the obvious (like 'root' as a username!) and go find a linux forum and be a lurker for a while!! Just till I get up to speed.

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  Re: UK2 Dedicated Linux Hosting - help!!

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I don't have a managed server but can and probably will be on the phone tomorrow and asking for an upgrade

I can't find any official uk2 forums, so I guess I will have to learn the obvious (like 'root' as a username!) and go find a linux forum and be a lurker for a while!! Just till I get up to speed.
I have just been looking at the managed features - whatever it costs, it will be worth it. If it looks like it costs too much, PM me because I know a few people who manage servers although I have no idea what they charge or whether or not they would find their way around the UK2 setup.

If the forums are public (for reading), try the forums at clook.co.uk and webhosting.uk.com. I belong to a forum and many helpful users are now hosting with clook and I have been reading the webhosting forum to see whether or not I will get a managed VS from them. I have a reseller with webhosting and their support is excellent.
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Well I have just ordered cPanel to be installed and paid for managed server. So hopefully when they fullfill the order on Monday I will have lots of simple picture buttons to press and if I cant work it out I can just message for support direct.

Thanks for asking.

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Well I have just ordered cPanel to be installed and paid for managed server. So hopefully when they fullfill the order on Monday I will have lots of simple picture buttons to press and if I cant work it out I can just message for support direct.

Thanks for asking.

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Having had experience of cPanel and WebMin, for ease of use and control I would go with WebMin any day. There are so many WebMin modules that you can do just about anything with it correctly set - I hear that setting it correctly is the trick. Someone 'down-under' has written a skin which makes it a whole world more user friendly.

cPanel/WHM just makes so much invisible after being used to looking around the root areas of a server. If I never see cPanel again, I will be very happy.

I will add though, that for people who just want to FTP a simple site and add a few email addresses, cPanel is great for keeping their hands away from those areas that could crash the server.

For you, for the first part of the learning curve, cPanel sounds like a simple and quick solution which should serve you well for the first 6 months or so.
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